DP 5 verdict for those who are scared to upgrage??

Morpheo · Post by **Morpheo** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:08 pm

Kazrog wrote:I have been wanting track folders for the past 8 years!!! FINALLY!!!!!

wow that's 1998.... That was even before DP3 came out !

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:38 pm

I posted several days ago that DP5 had sex with my spouse and then stole my car!

This made me want to downgrade to DP3

Details here:

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11851

P.S. are people who are writing about bugs on unicornation reporting things to motu? or just writing about them on unicornation?

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Thu May 04, 2006 2:15 pm

chrispick wrote:And again, I'll emphasize: I don't think you can get an accurate gauge of DP 5 usability via this or any other bulletin board. That said, I do think it's worth it to fish for disparate experiences in the hope of maybe gaining some balance.

Balance. It makes a mix, and it makes a forum. I try to support those who are having to endure bugs, but I also try to show that the problems are not universal (unless they really are universal). It's important to solve the problems, but it's also important that new users or potential users don't turn and run when they enter a room of angry individuals reporting that DP has just blown up their refrigerator, had sex with the telephone, and is getting 3 miles to a gallon of Jack Daniels.

In other words: DP is working great for some of us. With luck we'll make it all of us.

Shooshie

Kazrog · Post by **Kazrog** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:08 pm

Morpheo wrote:
Kazrog wrote:I have been wanting track folders for the past 8 years!!! FINALLY!!!!!
wow that's 1998.... That was even before DP3 came out !

I've been using Perfomer since version 5.5, Digital Performer since 1.0. In '98 I had an epiphany that I'd like track folders, the same way I can have layer folders in Photoshop and Flash. As a workaround, I started using blank MIDI tracks as labels (with titles like ••••••GUITARS••••••), and color-coded each section of my tracklist. I'm now in the process of converting these over to track folders (and rethinking some of my organization a bit.)

What's trippy is that I'm sure there are people from the old-school Performer days who have wanted track folders for the last 20 years.

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Thu May 04, 2006 3:17 pm

chrispick wrote:
Kazrog wrote:
toodamnhip wrote: there are various threads about DP5 problems, one I created asked if bugs with dp5 are enough to NOT upgrade...I think it's now on page 2.
There are at least 2-3 other threads...

People are complaining about various issues, but the one that concerned me was the guy saying his formerly good mix was playing back with changes in automation etc...go look it all up, it's all there..

good luck
Look, I'm not going to try to disupte the bugs anyone's had, as everyone's setup is different - however, there are a lot of important details missing from these posts (configuration, what precautions, or lack thereof, were taken prior to installing DP5, etc.), and if you follow the steps I have taken, you can get into DP5 risk-free.

MOTU's obviously put a lot of hard work into this release, but with any major software update you have to take certain precautions. I know that a lot of you probably already have, and I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but there does seem to be a Chicken Little syndrome around here lately...
The main precaution to take is to keep 4.61 (or earlier depending on your use) on your box. If DP5 runs sweetly, then sweet. If sourly, then revert.

And again, I'll emphasize: I don't think you can get an accurate gauge of DP 5 usability via this or any other bulletin board. That said, I do think it's worth it to fish for disparate experiences in the hope of maybe gaining some balance.

to me, if you keep old versions of DP around, and things crash, you have to wonder if this is due to having old versions around on the first place

Kazrog · Post by **Kazrog** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:29 pm

toodamnhip wrote: to me, if you keep old versions of DP around, and things crash, you have to wonder if this is due to having old versions around on the first place

MOTU fully supports older versions. Each application in OS X runs in its own protected space. It's impossible for the older versions to interfere. You can wonder all you want, but it's not going to change that.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Thu May 04, 2006 5:54 pm

Todamnhip is right in my opinion. Of the posts I see some appear pretty major.

For me, the fact that MOTU couldn't get the input mixer switching to core with no latency for overdubs is another problem as i just want an all inclusive DAW that I can use with built in or any IO anywhere portable.

I think this is a major lacking piece of the recording puzzle for all DAWs. I bought a Mac laptop thinking it would get solved by DP 5 but it didn't. Maybe I should have bought a PC or intel mac power book and loaded my Nuendo in pee cee.

These are my own opinions as stated below and I realize everyone uses the software differently. I just have to laugh when I visit other boards how may times this issue comes up and yet there are no answers for OS X users out there on the switching issue. Sorry to have to continually talk about this but it seems necessary.

As for the things MOTU added in 5, they are very cool. They just don't make me hard though.

When I hear of updates that fit my needs I will jump in.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:23 pm

Shooshie wrote:and is getting 3 miles to a gallon of Jack Daniels.

I defy anyone to get 3 STEPS on a gallon of Jack Daniels.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Thu May 04, 2006 6:23 pm

Kazrog wrote:As a workaround, I started using blank MIDI tracks as labels (with titles like ••••••GUITARS••••••), and color-coded each section of my tracklist. I'm now in the process of converting these over to track folders (and rethinking some of my organization a bit.)

What's trippy is that I'm sure there are people from the old-school Performer days who have wanted track folders for the last 20 years.

You betcha. I should do a screenshot some day of a track list of something like 320 MIDI tracks, divided into sections just as you described with dividers like:

===Bells 8va/16 BAR 32===

And some of those were created in the day when the Tracks Overview window just consisted of opaque rectangles. You couldn't see what was in those tracks without opening each one. Anyway, yes, track folders have been long overdue, and their arrival is good news at last. But I think back on the 20 years in which I could have used them... sigh...

Shooshie

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:59 pm

Kazrog wrote:
toodamnhip wrote: to me, if you keep old versions of DP around, and things crash, you have to wonder if this is due to having old versions around on the first place
MOTU fully supports older versions. Each application in OS X runs in its own protected space. It's impossible for the older versions to interfere. You can wonder all you want, but it's not going to change that.

LOL..
I don't "wonder" like a fool staring at the stars....lol..

I mean that the plug ins ARE in one place and I would suppose there is a good chance they have been updated? Or some other central library component.
I don't know if you can safely say all central compnents to dp are compartmented...

The app folders are, but the central library aspects are common I believe..but correct me if I am wrong..

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Thu May 04, 2006 11:17 pm

James Steele wrote:
Shooshie wrote:and is getting 3 miles to a gallon of Jack Daniels.
I defy anyone to get 3 STEPS on a gallon of Jack Daniels.

Good point, but one of these days, if I ever sit down with you at NAMM or some other good meeting point, remind me to tell you about gallons of JD in Nashville at the Opryland Hotel one February back in 1987.

Shooshie

blue · Post by **blue** » Fri May 05, 2006 12:45 am

toodamnhip wrote:I mean that the plug ins ARE in one place and I would suppose there is a good chance they have been updated? Or some other central library component.
I don't know if you can safely say all central compnents to dp are compartmented...

The app folders are, but the central library aspects are common I believe..but correct me if I am wrong..

Not to mention the preferences files.

dixiechicken · Post by **dixiechicken** » Fri May 05, 2006 3:59 am

James and Shooshie!

You dont know any finnish people do you?

We have saying here in northern sweden, to the effect that:
the amount of alcohol a swedhish macho uses to get really pissed a saturday night,
is about the amount a finnish guy spills on his clothes in the same timeframe.

I.E. it's never to later for 3 STEPS, but it's always to late for Jack Daniels.

Cheers: Dixiechicken

magicd · Post by **magicd** » Fri May 05, 2006 6:05 am

Timeline wrote: When I hear of updates that fit my needs I will jump in.

We put one in there just for you Gary. You now have a switchable preference in DP5 so that soloed tracks will continue to follow mute automation (or not).

Prior to DP5, if you solo an audio track, any mute automation in the track is disabled and you hear the track regardless of whether there is mute automation or not. No other forms of automation are affected by solo mode. The thinking behind this was that if you solo a track, you expect to hear it.

Magic Dave

TOD · Post by **TOD** » Fri May 05, 2006 6:11 am

Well, I'm running DP5 on two machines in sync and I'd have to say that my initial bugginess has worked itself out. Solid MIDI and audio.

My only gripe is the crash on quite message I get everytime I close it on my audio machine, not my MIDI machine.

I'm happy with DP5 and haven't even used any of the new plugs or features. It's at least as solid as 4.61 for me.