DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
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DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
I'm having a huge problem with DP right now. It is essentially unusable. It won't launch. It won't launch in safe mode. If I trash the preferences it will rescan the plugins and then it will launch but will soon crash again and won't launch again. If I remove all the plugins from the folders it will scan and say it found a bunch of plugins. What the heck? How can if find AU plugins if the "Components" folder is empty? I hope someone can help me out with this problem. I'm so tired of DP's pitiful stability. If it weren't for the fact that it has a Tracks and Sequence Editor view, I'd be gone.
Krakadon
aka Dave Williams
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aka Dave Williams
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
Download and reinstall. See what happens.
If this happened within the last 24 hours, restore your system from a snapshot from earlier.
https://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64689
I’ve seen a number of causes over the years including importing a corrupt audio file.
If this happened within the last 24 hours, restore your system from a snapshot from earlier.
https://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64689
I’ve seen a number of causes over the years including importing a corrupt audio file.
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
When you say "remove all the plugins" are you including those in your user-library folders as well?
Just checking.
Just checking.
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
Thanks. Tried those things already. I will review the thread.mikehalloran wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:40 am Download and reinstall. See what happens.
If this happened within the last 24 hours, restore your system from a snapshot from earlier.
https://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64689
I’ve seen a number of causes over the years including importing a corrupt audio file.
Krakadon
aka Dave Williams
Rock, metal, Camas, WA
* 16" M3 Max 16-core 4.05 GHz 48GB 1TB Late 2023 MBP, Sonoma 14.5. TB: UA Apollo QuadFW w/TB card, Satellite OctoTB2 & OctoTB3, PreSonus Quantum 4848 TB2, TB hub w/ USB 3.0 drives; USB 3.0: Softube Console 1 Mk3, Stream Deck XL; USB 2.0: SSL UC1, Fractal Audio Axe-Fx III , Revv Generator 120 MK3; , M Audio Oxygen 49, Akai MPD218, X-Touch U; HDMI: 34" 16:9 & 32" 2K Monitors
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aka Dave Williams
Rock, metal, Camas, WA
* 16" M3 Max 16-core 4.05 GHz 48GB 1TB Late 2023 MBP, Sonoma 14.5. TB: UA Apollo QuadFW w/TB card, Satellite OctoTB2 & OctoTB3, PreSonus Quantum 4848 TB2, TB hub w/ USB 3.0 drives; USB 3.0: Softube Console 1 Mk3, Stream Deck XL; USB 2.0: SSL UC1, Fractal Audio Axe-Fx III , Revv Generator 120 MK3; , M Audio Oxygen 49, Akai MPD218, X-Touch U; HDMI: 34" 16:9 & 32" 2K Monitors
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
Those are all emptymonkey man wrote: ↑Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:17 pm When you say "remove all the plugins" are you including those in your user-library folders as well?
Just checking.
Krakadon
aka Dave Williams
Rock, metal, Camas, WA
* 16" M3 Max 16-core 4.05 GHz 48GB 1TB Late 2023 MBP, Sonoma 14.5. TB: UA Apollo QuadFW w/TB card, Satellite OctoTB2 & OctoTB3, PreSonus Quantum 4848 TB2, TB hub w/ USB 3.0 drives; USB 3.0: Softube Console 1 Mk3, Stream Deck XL; USB 2.0: SSL UC1, Fractal Audio Axe-Fx III , Revv Generator 120 MK3; , M Audio Oxygen 49, Akai MPD218, X-Touch U; HDMI: 34" 16:9 & 32" 2K Monitors
* DP 11.32
aka Dave Williams
Rock, metal, Camas, WA
* 16" M3 Max 16-core 4.05 GHz 48GB 1TB Late 2023 MBP, Sonoma 14.5. TB: UA Apollo QuadFW w/TB card, Satellite OctoTB2 & OctoTB3, PreSonus Quantum 4848 TB2, TB hub w/ USB 3.0 drives; USB 3.0: Softube Console 1 Mk3, Stream Deck XL; USB 2.0: SSL UC1, Fractal Audio Axe-Fx III , Revv Generator 120 MK3; , M Audio Oxygen 49, Akai MPD218, X-Touch U; HDMI: 34" 16:9 & 32" 2K Monitors
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- Michael Canavan
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
pardon me for asking all the basic questions, but hey.. you never know right?
When you remove the plugins where are you putting them? I've always had good luck with installing a "Components Disabled" folder in the plugins folder.
You may only download for the most part AU, but are there any VSTs or the like in your setup? If there are that could be the issue. It's always a good idea to restart your computer after physically removing the plugins to another folder.
The other elephant is what people have mentioned, that you may have changed something that you've forgotten about. Recently I read in the manual you could make shortcuts in DP by putting aliases in the clippings folder, well apparently that's dead wrong and it crashes DP. I had forgotten I had done this until someone found a reference to the error dialog and that very issue.
It could also be an update to the OS and/or a driver for an audio interface etc.
When you remove the plugins where are you putting them? I've always had good luck with installing a "Components Disabled" folder in the plugins folder.
You may only download for the most part AU, but are there any VSTs or the like in your setup? If there are that could be the issue. It's always a good idea to restart your computer after physically removing the plugins to another folder.
The other elephant is what people have mentioned, that you may have changed something that you've forgotten about. Recently I read in the manual you could make shortcuts in DP by putting aliases in the clippings folder, well apparently that's dead wrong and it crashes DP. I had forgotten I had done this until someone found a reference to the error dialog and that very issue.
It could also be an update to the OS and/or a driver for an audio interface etc.
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
Here's a tool you can get on the App Store that might help you get to the bottom of it:
https://www.thinkersnacks.com/pluginfo/
James posted this app a while back (thanks James!), and I have found it indispensable.
You can look at and select all your plugins, and by using command-shift-F, find out where they are located on the computer.
https://www.thinkersnacks.com/pluginfo/
James posted this app a while back (thanks James!), and I have found it indispensable.
You can look at and select all your plugins, and by using command-shift-F, find out where they are located on the computer.
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
Michael Canavan wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 8:58 am pardon me for asking all the basic questions, but hey.. you never know right?
When you remove the plugins where are you putting them? I've always had good luck with installing a "Components Disabled" folder in the plugins folder.
You may only download for the most part AU, but are there any VSTs or the like in your setup? If there are that could be the issue. It's always a good idea to restart your computer after physically removing the plugins to another folder.
The other elephant is what people have mentioned, that you may have changed something that you've forgotten about. Recently I read in the manual you could make shortcuts in DP by putting aliases in the clippings folder, well apparently that's dead wrong and it crashes DP. I had forgotten I had done this until someone found a reference to the error dialog and that very issue.
It could also be an update to the OS and/or a driver for an audio interface etc.
Krakadon
aka Dave Williams
Rock, metal, Camas, WA
* 16" M3 Max 16-core 4.05 GHz 48GB 1TB Late 2023 MBP, Sonoma 14.5. TB: UA Apollo QuadFW w/TB card, Satellite OctoTB2 & OctoTB3, PreSonus Quantum 4848 TB2, TB hub w/ USB 3.0 drives; USB 3.0: Softube Console 1 Mk3, Stream Deck XL; USB 2.0: SSL UC1, Fractal Audio Axe-Fx III , Revv Generator 120 MK3; , M Audio Oxygen 49, Akai MPD218, X-Touch U; HDMI: 34" 16:9 & 32" 2K Monitors
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aka Dave Williams
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* 16" M3 Max 16-core 4.05 GHz 48GB 1TB Late 2023 MBP, Sonoma 14.5. TB: UA Apollo QuadFW w/TB card, Satellite OctoTB2 & OctoTB3, PreSonus Quantum 4848 TB2, TB hub w/ USB 3.0 drives; USB 3.0: Softube Console 1 Mk3, Stream Deck XL; USB 2.0: SSL UC1, Fractal Audio Axe-Fx III , Revv Generator 120 MK3; , M Audio Oxygen 49, Akai MPD218, X-Touch U; HDMI: 34" 16:9 & 32" 2K Monitors
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
In your screenshot your VST3 folder still has plugins in it. Here anyway even if I'm using AU only it scans VST and VST3 as well if I trash preferences.
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
... and the Components and CLAP ƒ's as well.Michael Canavan wrote: ↑Thu May 01, 2025 5:00 pmIn your screenshot your VST3 folder still has plugins in it.
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
I guess I haven't explained this very well. The picture is how I normally have it demonstrating I know where the plugins are stored and I even have them set up so it is all AU except ARA (Vocalign and Melodyne) and three that need to be VST3 to function property (SSL Native Compressor and Channel Strip and Softube Console 1) which in those cases I don't have the AU's loaded and only have those five VST3's loaded. I am saying that when I move all the plugins out of the components and VST3 folders so they are EMPTY, then trash preferences, then rescan plugins, DP discovers like 300 plugins even though the Components and VST3 folders are 100% empty... Therefore DP is somehow getting plugin information that may be causing it to hangup on start and crash. This is a very weird and not routine case.
Krakadon
aka Dave Williams
Rock, metal, Camas, WA
* 16" M3 Max 16-core 4.05 GHz 48GB 1TB Late 2023 MBP, Sonoma 14.5. TB: UA Apollo QuadFW w/TB card, Satellite OctoTB2 & OctoTB3, PreSonus Quantum 4848 TB2, TB hub w/ USB 3.0 drives; USB 3.0: Softube Console 1 Mk3, Stream Deck XL; USB 2.0: SSL UC1, Fractal Audio Axe-Fx III , Revv Generator 120 MK3; , M Audio Oxygen 49, Akai MPD218, X-Touch U; HDMI: 34" 16:9 & 32" 2K Monitors
* DP 11.32
aka Dave Williams
Rock, metal, Camas, WA
* 16" M3 Max 16-core 4.05 GHz 48GB 1TB Late 2023 MBP, Sonoma 14.5. TB: UA Apollo QuadFW w/TB card, Satellite OctoTB2 & OctoTB3, PreSonus Quantum 4848 TB2, TB hub w/ USB 3.0 drives; USB 3.0: Softube Console 1 Mk3, Stream Deck XL; USB 2.0: SSL UC1, Fractal Audio Axe-Fx III , Revv Generator 120 MK3; , M Audio Oxygen 49, Akai MPD218, X-Touch U; HDMI: 34" 16:9 & 32" 2K Monitors
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
OK yeah that's odd, I ran into a similar issue with Logic once and a AUv3 plugin that was hanging Logic.dwilliams wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 9:25 pm I guess I haven't explained this very well. The picture is how I normally have it demonstrating I know where the plugins are stored and I even have them set up so it is all AU except ARA (Vocalign and Melodyne) and three that need to be VST3 to function property (SSL Native Compressor and Channel Strip and Softube Console 1) which in those cases I don't have the AU's loaded and only have those five VST3's loaded. I am saying that when I move all the plugins out of the components and VST3 folders so they are EMPTY, then trash preferences, then rescan plugins, DP discovers like 300 plugins even though the Components and VST3 folders are 100% empty... Therefore DP is somehow getting plugin information that may be causing it to hangup on start and crash. This is a very weird and not routine case.
It does seem like an incompatible plugin, what's the crash report say? BTW ChatGPT is pretty useful with crash reports, just feed in the main part and the crashed thread.
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Re: DP Finding Plugins on Scan with Folders Empty & DP won't launch & crashing
Thanks for clarifying mate.
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