Can't get past scanning on DP11

[dewdman42]

You're saying that changing your video driver made your plugin scanning work?

The RX-580 is not Nvidia...there are no other drivers available that I am aware of...just that which ships with MacOS.

[bayswater]

Looks "YMMV" has become a constant in the world of DAWs on Macs. It's odd how we have come to the point where we have such different experiences.

I've never had a startup Plugin scan problem with DP, including the current test version of DP 11. I nearly always get a crash with Logic when a new plugin is added or Logic is updated. Running it again always resolves the problem.

Still, I hope you are able to report this to MOTU. They should be testing new releases on a variety of hardware setups to catch these things. Maybe its time to consider a public beta (I know what you'll say -- DP 11.0 IS a public beta)

[dewdman42]

I own 4-5 DAW's. None of them have ever given me the kind of plugin scanning grief that DP does. By a factor of 1000. DP has absolutely the worst plugin scanning engine, bar none period. If things pass, as it appears to have done for some of you, then no problem, but when there are validation problems then they have a crappy solution.

I have had minor issues with previous versions of DP in this regard, but this experience in DP11 is by far the worst by a very long shot.

Unlike you, I have absolutely zero problem with LogicPro, Cubase, StudioOne, Reaper with regards to plugin scanning. All of my 1000 plugins work just fine in LogicPro and required no special care.

As I said already, the main problem with DP, besides the fact that it should be passing a lot of plugins that its not passing....is that is fails miserably, providing no feedback to debug the problem and resulting in a locked up situation that I can't progress past.

So far tech support has not been of any help. maybe they will provide more tomorrow...

[bjornln]

I started by upgrading the OS from 10.11 to 10.13.0. Installed DP 11. Everything worked OK, no issues afaik.... until I upgraded OS to 10.13.6.
I have a GTX Titan graphics card which in previous versions of OS needed Nvidia drivers. The Nvidia drivers said there was an update for the graphics-drivers, so I upgraded. That's when all kinds of weird things happened. It started and got as far as the round logo when booting. After that I just crashed. I thought it may have been the last plugin.. so I thought I deleted the AU cache. After that it wouldn't even get as far as the round logo when crashing. I logged a case with MOTU and sent the crash-logged. At the same time I figured I should reinstall the OS (and nvidia drivers) as I remembered was the only thing I had done except installing DP. After reinstalling the OS, DP started to work. I stayed away from the Nvidia Driver upgrade, and stayed with the MacOS graphics driver (little less performance maybe). By that time MOTU got back to me (takes awhile when you are in different time-zones), and said the crash-logs that I sent to them, pointed to the graphics drivers and asked further config-info.

My TechLink is still open, so I guess they are still investigating.
Everything has been working perfectly Ever since for me though.

So as I said, my was a weird question

Best,
/B

You're saying that changing your video driver made your plugin scanning work?

The RX-580 is not Nvidia...there are no other drivers available that I am aware of...just that which ships with MacOS.

[mikehalloran]

I don't have any problems with LogicPro ... e program.

Never had that happen after a LPX update — no once, not ever and I count the one released last week. I always have to open it back up and scan manually after the crash.

Every

Single

Time

Just part of the fun of Logic.

[dewdman42]

perhaps you should post your questions regarding your logicPro problems on a logicPro forum. I am asking here how to make DP work....

[bayswater]

perhaps you should post your questions regarding your logicPro problems on a logicPro forum. I am asking here how to make DP work....

Interesting you should say that. I've done exactly that. The answer was more or less, yah, you just run the validation again. That's what I do and it works.

Obviously that doesn't work for you for in DP. There has to be something in your configuration, hardware, or plugin set, that isn't in mine, and that DP really doesn't like. Solving this on your own would probably involve setting up a test partition with a clean install, and new account, and a succession of plugin installations. Probably not something you'd want to do. I've had to do this to resolve recurring problems with Mac networking. The only real alternative you have is with MOTU tech support.

[dewdman42]

you guys just want to fight about DP vs LogicPro...I'm not interested. LogicPro does not crash when you scan plugins. Period. If you say it does, you're lying. SO for LogicPro you simply run it again and maybe it will passs, maybe not, usually it passes. All my plugins pass, 1000 of them. But the only reason for discussing LogicPro is in order to specifically address the PROBLEM with DP. The problem with DP, that does not exist in LogicPro, is that when you have plugins that fail, DP crashes with no information about what caused the crash...and furthermore when you try to launch it again, it continues to try to scan the plugin that caused it to crash...so you get stuck in a loop like I am now unable to debug it, unable to determine which plugin in a problem and unable to even launch DP at all....totally stuck.

I've been using both DAW's on and off for quite a long time, I don't know anyone that has had that kind of problem with any other DAW, including LogicPro...but meanwhile you can read many many posts on the internet from people having problems with DP plugin scanning, which frankly sucks wads. You can believe what you want, but here I am unable to run my recently purchased DP11 because of that suckage...

I hope MOTU will consider improving their software. I want to like it, but right now, it work like ass and the people on this forum just want to fight about it.

[bayswater]

you guys just want to fight about DP vs LogicPro...I'm not interested.

Don't know how you came to that conclusion. You're just being belligerent. End of this discussion.

[dewdman42]

You and MC are the two biggest argumentative bullies on this entire forum. Everything is always a fight with you. Go away

[dewdman42]

And yes I would very much appreciate it if both of you would ignore me, ignore my discussions and please leave this thread unless you can actually help

[cuttime]

I'm not trying to troll here, but has dewdman42 (I feel your frustration) tried the console/crash script suggestion?

[dewdman42]

Thanks for that suggestion! I will try it tomorrow. I have not been seeing the MOTU crash reporter dialog though. While scanning plugins, the "crash" simply kills DP with no warning, no dialog or anything. Not sure it would be writing to console, but its worth a try to see if I can get better logging!! thanks for that suggestion.

[CharlzS]

I have tried using SHIFT to do safe mode...but that starts DP with audio disabled...and no plugins in the plugin manager, as soon as I enable audio, then it automatically tries to scan the same plugins again and crashes before I can skip.

Hold the Option key when starting to disable plugs or start in plug safe mode (MAS only). When DP comes up, create a new plugin set with VST and VST3 support disabled to see if one of those is the culprit.

[mikehalloran]

I own 4-5 DAW's. None of them have ever given me the kind of plugin scanning grief that DP does. By a factor of 1000. DP has absolutely the worst plugin scanning engine, bar none period. If things pass, as it appears to have done for some of you, then no problem, but when there are validation problems then they have a crappy solution.

I have had minor issues with previous versions of DP in this regard, but this experience in DP11 is by far the worst by a very long shot...

Your attempts to make us believe that everyone is having these issues is falling on deaf ears. We aren’t. FM8 passed no problem for me, BTW. Your situation appears to be unique. I do hope you get it resolved.

Likewise the notion that Logic doesn’t have scanning issues. That and the documentation are the two biggest complaints on every Apple support board I’ve ever read. Glad that with over a thousand plugs, it’s not an issue for you. Most of us do not live on that planet, however.

You have other DAWs. Ok… who doesn’t?