Any hopes for DP and VST3??

[ExpressMix]

Word on the street? That's the literal definition of misinformation, rumors, when anyone can just go to the Steinberg webaite where the sdk's are available for download and see for themselves.

It says so right in the license agreement....

This license is non-royalty bearing and the Licensee shall not obligated to pay to Steinberg any fees or royalties with respect to the VST PlugIn Interface technology.

But hey, never let the truth interfere with a good debate.

Anyway, I am constantly amazed at things like this, where people pass along misinformation as if it was factual and true, and base subsequent arguments on it, never even bothering to just go look and see for themselves.

[Marc7777]

...soooo you're saying there's no reason for MOTU to NOT do this right?!? SWEET!

Not sure of the technical complexities that are involved in getting VST3 to work.. but I hope MOTU can figure it out!

[ExpressMix]

Not really. MOTU may have very good reasons for not adopting it. I just wanted to inject some truth into the discussion.

As relates to the most popular "professional level" hosts that actually use VST, the majority of them already support it. PT and Logic obviously don't factor into that equation, not being VST hosts.

Of course, if you count everything, including all of the little VST hosts, that balance shifts way over the other way.

[mhschmieder]

"word on the street" is a colloquialism and isn't meant to be taken literally. I know this is in reference to Mike's post and not my own earlier and similar post, but at least in my case the "word" came from specific vendors who I am in non-disclosure agreements with, so that's all I can say on the matter.

Possibly Steinberg recently dropped a licensing fee, or maybe the situation is more complex than a simple yes/no. At any rate, if it's really true that VST3 is unconditionally free for all who need the SDK with all of its features and vendor support (critical), then that is great news.

[ExpressMix]

Possibly Steinberg recently dropped a licensing fee, or maybe the situation is more complex than a simple yes/no.

No, that's actually not possible. I already told you it was always free and you're still trying to support your earlier comment with guesses and more suppositions when I already told you the full and honest truth. It... was... always... free.

I literally copied and pasted the terms directly from the VST3 licensing agreement and you're still here saying... "If that's true."?? as if... it's still maybe not? Is there any real ambiguity in that license term?

"...not obligated to pay to Steinberg any fees or royalties"

Gosh. Just go read the thing for yourself.

Please note that there are licensing agreements coupled with the use of development tools which you have to agree. These agreements contain conditions and/or requirements which are mostly concerned with liability issues.

http://www.steinberg.net/en/company/developer.html

[mikehalloran]

VST is free. VST3 has not been. Perhaps that has changed.

[ExpressMix]

VST is free. VST3 has not been. Perhaps that has changed.

Dude, what planet are you living on? The "I can never be wrong on the net about anything" planet? It was free from the very start like it always was...

With VST (Virtual Studio Technology), Steinberg established the world’s leading and most widely supported standard for plug-ins and virtual instruments in 1996. With VST3 Steinberg releases the next major revision of Steinberg’s Virtual Studio Technology to the audio industry. VST3 marks an important milestone in audio technology with a completely rewritten code base providing not only many new features but also the most stable and reliable VST platform ever. This combination of latest technology and new features is the result of Steinberg’s twelve years of development experience as the leading plug-in interface provider. VST3 has been designed to provide a technological and creative basis for many innovative and exciting new products for the audio industry, offering a new world of creative possibilities for instrument and effect plug-in users.

On its release in January 2008, the VST3 SDK will, of course, be available as a free technology, open in use for any developer.

Jesus Christ. Just stop already... you're coming across as being defiantly ignorant.

[Shooshie]

What the heck? Our forum is suddenly a courtroom? This is a place for discussion. People voice opinions all the time. Suddenly someone thinks he's the last word on everything? You a lawyer for Steinberg?

A little less confrontational, please. I've found that "net-truth" and any other truth are pretty much identical; people talk and deal in hypotheticals. When someone walks in with "no dog in this race" and proceeds to declare that he is only interjecting truth, and that nobody else seems to have any truth, he's either a troll or he has a dog in that race.

So which is it?

A little less confrontational, please. You made your point. Perhaps you could find a more considerate means of discussing that point, now that it's been made. Accusing members here of fabricating their facts won't get you far here. I'm not saying I know whether they did or didn't, but that it's ok to discuss rumors and possible change as long as nobody is saying they know this for a fact, and that their facts are the only ones possible or relevant, as you are.

It's an internet discussion. People are free to speculate. Changes do happen, sometimes without informing you that the license has changed. I don't have the license you're talking about, but I would guess that there is also a line in there which says that Steinberg retains the right to change its content without informing you or asking your permission. Whether or not that's the case, it's an internet discussion. If you want to see arrogance, look in the damn mirror.

Lighten up.

Shooshie

[Shooshie]

PS:

[David Polich]

Agree with the Shooshmeister. This originally started as a question about whether MOTU
would implement VST3 implementation for DP.

[James Steele]

VST is free. VST3 has not been. Perhaps that has changed.

Dude, what planet are you living on? The "I can never be wrong on the net about anything" planet? It was free from the very start like it always was...

With VST (Virtual Studio Technology), Steinberg established the world’s leading and most widely supported standard for plug-ins and virtual instruments in 1996. With VST3 Steinberg releases the next major revision of Steinberg’s Virtual Studio Technology to the audio industry. VST3 marks an important milestone in audio technology with a completely rewritten code base providing not only many new features but also the most stable and reliable VST platform ever. This combination of latest technology and new features is the result of Steinberg’s twelve years of development experience as the leading plug-in interface provider. VST3 has been designed to provide a technological and creative basis for many innovative and exciting new products for the audio industry, offering a new world of creative possibilities for instrument and effect plug-in users.

On its release in January 2008, the VST3 SDK will, of course, be available as a free technology, open in use for any developer.

Jesus Christ. Just stop already... you're coming across as being defiantly ignorant.

You just stop already. There's no call for your tone.

[Michael Canavan]

The reason DP doesn't currently support VST3 is probably the traditional reason why VST support has been an issue for hosts. Great support for developing VST plug ins, poor support for hosting VST plug ins. It's the original reason for the Audio Unit format. It's possible that there are new issues with VST3 as far as hosting and MOTU want to get it right the first time.

[ExpressMix]

Sorry James, and apologies to everyone else.

It's just really annoying to try to "discuss" something when people continue to completely ignore facts. My tone only changed (via annoyance) after repeatedly watching the guy continue to intentionally ignore what is clearly true, for some odd and still unknown reason.

The phrase I used there ,"defiantly ignorant", actually wasn't meant as a personal insult. It only meant "defiantly ignoring a clear truth", to argue against it. We humans are often wrong, it's part of being human. It just seems that admitting you're wrong on the net is problematic for some people, so they keep debating it anyway. Not sure why that is exactly.

In real life we say "Thanks for clearing that up." and move on. Nobody actually cares. On the net it's quite different.

Sorry for the interruption guys. My apologies to all. To your point, it's not really my job to correct clear misinformation, people should do and say whatever they want and others should do their own fact checking if it matters.

Apologies.

[Sergievsky]

It's very big of you to apologize, I'd accept it if I was one of the offended, but since I came late to the thread I wasn't one! I also thought license fee would have been an issue, but if u r correct, which it seems so (sori i hate reading these damn agreements) then I too am wrong. you stepped on toes of some very well-respected members who contribute immensely to this community, so you shouldnt be surprised our highly-regarded-yet-famously-biased-but-wonderfully-so moderators/owner has stepped in.
you better be damn sure vst3 is free tho or Me & some of the other members are gonna find you & kick your ass!

[Killahurts]

Let's not forget that MOTU has their own format (MAS), which also doesn't have the 16 channel limitation, just like VST3. Look at Mach V 3, etc. That might make it difficult for MOTU to program similar capability, without stepping on the toes of what they already have in place..

I have not believed in a long time that software creators ditch new or better technology, based on company pride, or snuffing competition ( Avid may be the exception).

I think MOTU will come out with support for VST3, but I think it will be a while.