Pitch Automation in DP 4.6

[chaim]

Try this.

On a new audio track, the soundbite layer is selected.

Track automation is off.

Now switch to Pitch layer and tweak something.

Does it go? Yes I guess.

Now turn on track automation, does it go? No, I guess.

Turn off track automation, does it go? Yes, I guess.

If the above is true, then your DP acts the same as mine.


(the above only works if track automation is OFF first before you tweak, then if you turn it on =no pitch, on = yes pitch - even while the tweaked section is still in it's tweaked position)

BUT, if track automation is ON 'first' and you switch to Pitch layer and start tweaking - and of course it's not going - it's not going to help if you now turn off track automation.


Instead 'Clear the Pitch corrections' you just made, switch back to the soundbite layer, turn OFF track automation, NOW go back to the pitch layer.

If it still doesn't work, Do this: while the track is at the soundbite layer and track automation is turned off, close the project and open it back up, and go straight to the pitch layer with track automation off.

Let us know what you find.

[lex132]

[I am assuming that Pitch Automation is for monophonic instruments only. Please correct me if I am wrong. Some small tweaks will save me another day's work.]

You're right. Pitch correction only really works on single note lines. (for the most part) If 1 or 2 strings on a guitar have slipped out of tune you'll probably need to re-record them.

[steverio]

I am recording vocals for 10 songs.. I finished two, and was editting the pitch cor. and now I can't load the sessions. they just shut down dp right after they load. or they give me 15 seconds and crash DP. Having no problem with sessions I haven't used pitch correction. has anyone else experienced this?

I have a fairly slow computer (g4 1.8, 1G ram) and wondering if the pitch stuff I did is overloading or what! but now I am screwed because the program won't stay running long enough to remove the pitch correction.

any ideas??

MOTU! UPDATE TIME!! I would have never updated to 4.6 if I had known there would be so many glitches and problems with it.

thank you

[Jeff Isaacs]

Jeff Isaacs again!
1. Option drag a marquee to zoom in on section needing work.
2. go to pitch
3. use the slider on the left to center the pitch graph (up & down-see it!)
4. use the zoom triangle at the top of the track (by the name- there it is!) to make the curve the size you like
5. highlight the sticky spot (the bad note, fool!)
6. open the transpose window to bump it it up or down (try 30 cents)
7, watch it move up or down slightly
8. audition until it sounds right
9.go back to soundbite view (click on colored top of track)
10. select the same section, only a bit bigger
11. merge soundbite. done
12. audition, if not right undo and try again. works everytime.

If you haven't done so, print out the 4.6 update notes and read them once in a while. The other tools are really starting to help, like adjusting where the notes divide, drawing in new curves, and the thing where you adjust the segmentation to connect big vibrato sections and then option drag up or down to increase or decrease the wobble. Awesome.

I found that a guitar vocal could be adjusted where the vocal was off. Of course the guitar then goes off the other way, but in the mix often is negligible, so try everything. Like I have restoration from WAVES and the de-crackle has removed distortion from a vocal. Not what it was meant for, but it works. Or try the pre-amp on your snare for more edge.

Ask me. I've used DP for years- since 2.4. I make my living with it. I think it's the best!
Jeff Isaacs
Grand Junction Recording
Waterloo, IA

[Klaus]

As you go further in the project, mine has 2 songs with 5 vocal tracks each, you'll notice DP's inconsistent behaviour, i.e. showing pitch and when corrected ( draged ), not reflecting them...
You are not saying that merging is needed for every adjustement, although that *IS* a work around? Are you ?
Another workaround worked here, copy the track, deactivate the original one and continue on the copy...
DP is loosing track of work in progress, saving won't help.
Take care

Klaus

[jerkrecords]

i must chime in -

i was having all kinds of problems with pitch edits going bye-bye and whatnot, until i changed the way i worked with them.

i agree -

1) record vocal
2) select pitch
3) make edits
4) when happy with edit, Merge Soundbites
5) repeat till done.

i have had no problems in the last 3 projects doing this.

pete

[Klaus]

How is this :
Work in progress, not finished...
Do you edit and merge what's done ?

Nahh...

Take care

Klaus

[jerkrecords]

klaus -
i'm sorry - i don't understand what you were getting at there.

-pete

[Klaus]

I was refering to projects that are not finished yet, merging every bit will clutter the soundbite list.
DP should just keep pitch info so we don't need workarounds...
Take care

Klaus

[jerkrecords]

yes yes - i agree -
after i make my edit on the soundbite, i select it by itself, then do a merge soundbites.

you're rght - it should just work w/o the extra step.

pete

[croyal]

To keep the Soundbite list small, Merge soundbites after a section is done, not after each fix.

Sometimes you can get away wth editing a whole song before merging. I think a trick is to merge your work before closing the project or doing some other major edits. Merge has become my new "save" command , and I think of it the same way.

Chris

[Klaus]

I read that MotU told someone at AES this was fixed in the 4.6.1 UD.

Best
Klaus

[positivemu]

It appears that the pitch automation bug is fixed. I need to spend more time working with it to be sure but my initial problems with it are gone. It is a powerful feature so it will take time to fully test it. I'll post again after I've spent more time with it but so far so good! Thanks Motu.

[BobK]

Never thought I'd use pitch automation, but in mixing a song this morning, I found a very prominent clash of a minor second between the vocal and the band's accompaniment (due to my bandmate-arranger's oversight - not an artistic choice).

Went to the vocal track, dragged the pitch segment up a half-step, and problem solved. Since the singer was so good, it was right on pitch, and I didn't have to do any tweaking.

Re-recording the vocal (or changing the arrangement) isn't really an option now, so it was great to have pitch automation.

[marreascotias]

Yeah..... maybe it's fixed, although, MOTU hasn't mentioned anything, neither on the web site nor within the updater package.

You're right, positivemu:
Once no one grants us anything,
Let's research!