Digital performer and native instruments MIDI problem

hkappa · Post by **hkappa** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:04 am

Hi, I´m new here and I hope some of you guys can give me some help.

I´m having a strange issue with DP8 and NI stuff. When I create two or more consecutive notes of the same pitch and duration, either on the MIDI or quickscribe editor, the first note plays just fine but the other ones that follow become muted.
This only seems to happen when I´m using NI instruments like kontakt and massive, as far as i can tell it doesn´t happen with the bundled DP plugins.
The NI plugins are up-to-date, i´ve made the same test on logic, and all of them work just fine.
I managed to solve the problem nudging the notes by 1 tick, but this is really unproductive, especially when working on the Quickscribe editor, having to go back an forth nudging one of the two quarter notes just inserted...
I had the same issue with DP 7.24 and I tought this would be sorted out on the new update. Anybody has this same issue? Sorry for the long post…

cuttime · Post by **cuttime** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:16 am

This is a very common problem with many different VIs. Why not just shorten the duration of the notes by a tick in the entire region in one fell awoop?

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:34 am

It's a royal PITA on cymbals. I just add a second VI track when necessary and throw the extra notes onto a different channel. Who could it hurt?

hkappa · Post by **hkappa** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:20 pm

It´s strange that this only happens with DP, because i´ve made the same test with the same plug-ins on logic and r.e.a.p.er. Maybe there´s a way that i´m missing to specify the standard note values in ticks?
DP seems to handle MIDI differently than other daws...

greg328 · Post by **greg328** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:44 am

Just select all concerned notes and use "change duration" menu command to shorten all by your chosen value. Simple.

buzzsmith · Post by **buzzsmith** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:42 am

greg328 wrote:Just select all concerned notes and use "change duration" menu command to shorten all by your chosen value. Simple.

Yep. Do it almost daily.

Buzzy

labman · Post by **labman** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:12 am

I hate this too. subtracting clicks from duration is my only answer (as others have said)

bayswater · Post by **bayswater** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:41 am

hkappa wrote:DP seems to handle MIDI differently than other daws...

Yes, it does in this one instance. IIRC, when a Note On and a Note Off occur at the same time, most DAWs send the Off first, then the On. It appears that DP does the opposite. I can't see any good reason to do it this way.

Buzzy · Post by **Buzzy** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:33 am

greg328 wrote:Just select all concerned notes and use "change duration" menu command to shorten all by your chosen value. Simple.

Even simpler just insert the duration plug-in on the MIDI track and specify 'add -1 tick'.

Even more simpler; make this a clipping

buzzsmith · Post by **buzzsmith** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:34 pm

Buzzy wrote:
greg328 wrote:Just select all concerned notes and use "change duration" menu command to shorten all by your chosen value. Simple.
Even simpler just insert the duration plug-in on the MIDI track and specify 'add -1 tick'.

Even more simpler; make this a clipping

Like.

Another Buzzy

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stubbsonic · Post by **stubbsonic** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:54 pm

Once you get the CHANGE DURATION inserted (via clippings), then just option-command drag it to neighboring track inserts.

hkappa · Post by **hkappa** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:52 pm

I appreciate all your answers. I think the best way is to really use the change duration plugin, it works great, Thanks Buzzy for the suggestion

Still, why DP doesn´t adjust the note on and off automatically is beyond me...

Gravity Jim · Post by **Gravity Jim** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:27 pm

hkappa wrote:I appreciate all your answers. I think the best way is to really use the change duration plugin, it works great, Thanks Buzzy for the suggestion
Still, why DP doesn´t adjust the note on and off automatically is beyond me...

Because DP is deadly accurate (in terms of MIDI timing and sample accuracy) and its designers assume tht you know what you want in a given track. Not all VI (or hardware synth) patches react the same way... DP doesn't fix your work automatically, because you may not want it to.

bayswater · Post by **bayswater** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:55 pm

Gravity Jim wrote:Because DP is deadly accurate (in terms of MIDI timing and sample accuracy) and its designers assume tht you know what you want in a given track. Not all VI (or hardware synth) patches react the same way... DP doesn't fix your work automatically, because you may not want it to.

I don't think that's the reason, although it may be quite true. Accuracy would not suffer if DP was changed, or an option was provided, to give Note Off priority instead of Note On priority, and playback would make more sense.

Michael Canavan · Post by **Michael Canavan** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:03 pm

Or what it's worth it's not just DP. Live is guilty as well.
A lot of soft synths have issues with the first note in a sequence if it's directly on 1|1|00 in a sort of related issue.

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