R•••••

[twistedtom]

James that is sad. A friend once said that he married a good house keeper, she got to keep it.

[ccrane]

...and all this time I thought it was Reason being censored.

Lol, I had the same exact thought. I actually went on a Google excursion in order to see what the big deal was. I had never even heard of R*****.

I wouldn't subscribe to that amateur crap if they paid me

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree - SOS is pretty awesome, a lot of good interviews with producers, artists etc. I take their reviews with a grain of salt as one should with any ad based music mag. I miss the DP column, but whatever, the real gem of the DP world is Motunation.

[James Steele]

I miss the DP column...

So I assume they did indeed kill it off for good then? As I said, I let my subscription lapse when they cut it back initially.

[bayswater]

Don't know when you stopped the SOS sub, but there have been DP articles Oct 11, Jan 12, Apr 12, July 12 and Nov 12, all by Robin. In Oct 12 there was a brief announcement on DP 8.

[ccrane]

Don't know when you stopped the SOS sub, but there have been DP articles Oct 11, Jan 12, Apr 12, July 12 and Nov 12, all by Robin. In Oct 12 there was a brief announcement on DP 8.

Yes, was going to add still a nice smattering of articles here and there when called for, a fair representation to some degree.

[James Steele]

Don't know when you stopped the SOS sub, but there have been DP articles Oct 11, Jan 12, Apr 12, July 12 and Nov 12, all by Robin. In Oct 12 there was a brief announcement on DP 8.

I'm glad to see that then! So it's about four times a year which is what I thought. That's nice that they're still doing them. Maybe when we get a bunch of Windows users that will boost things even more.

[Killahurts]

I miss the DP column, but whatever, the real gem of the DP world is Motunation.

And about that we can totally agree!

[ccrane]

I miss the DP column, but whatever, the real gem of the DP world is Motunation.

And about that we can totally agree!

Right on brother.

[Armageddon]

I might tend to agree with you, but let me remind you of something. About the time that I put the block on the name of that DAW, it was not longer after DP was demoted in SOS. It went from having a monthly column (Performer Notes), to being dropped altogether according to some sources. A firestorm ensued and a good many users went to the SOS forums and pitched a fit. SOS claimed they were only reducing the number of articles and never intended to kill the column off. Whether you believe that or not is up to you, but doesn't matter.

So DP was relegated to once DAW specific column every three months or so, based on the results of a web survey asking what DAWs their readers used. I don't know if they are still publishing a DP column every three months or not at all.

Not long after the DP-specific column was majorly cut back, SOS announced a new MONTHLY column. A monthly R••••• column. So DP gets cut way back in the pages of SOS, and R••••• gets a monthly feature. Why? Again, based on the perceived "user base" as show by response to a web poll that many of us here didn't really know about.

My contention was that rightly or wrongly, SOS cares about selling subscriptions. Whether a user base is a paid-up, registered user base or a user base that has been using an unlimited demo for years doesn't matter to them. I suspect that number of paid R••••• users is significantly small than their total user base that SOS based their decision to add monthly column on (again, shortly after majorly cutting back DP coverage).

So? No competition? I don't know. There's a good possibility their lax demo policy which effectively provides "FREE" fully-functioning copies for anyone willing to dismiss a nag dialog once per day, helped push its way onto the pages of SOS, while DP was pushed off. To my mind that's competition of an unfair kind.

Mind you, I'm not saying you SHOULDN'T have the name automatically blocked, and I definitely wasn't aware of the S.O.S. connection, I've just never thought of [insert DAW name here] as actual, serious competition to DP. One imagines that even the readers of S.O.S. could make that much of a connection -- I blame that more on the bias of its publishers than its readers. I actually know a couple of people who downloaded and installed [lousy, rotten DAW] onto their computers (mostly, laptops), and when I asked them why, Mac or Windoze, they uniformly responded: "Eh, it's a fun little thing to play around with" or "it's not gonna replace Logic or ProTools". That seems to be about the extent of its allure: you can download it for free, install it and it doesn't take up a lot of room or require any amount of thought beyond "playing around with it". I've never heard ANYONE say, "God, this is a really good DAW, screw DP! I'm going with these guys! And I'm gonna pay for a license!" I actually read an interview with the two guys behind the software and their take on it is that the copy protection actually does more harm than good, so they're going on the trust system, I guess?

The thing is, there's a legitimate REASON why commercial software employs copy protection (and it's usually unobtrusive, or, at worst, a pain upon initial installation), and it's the same reason stores have sensor magnets: they have an underlying interest in making money -- not just for sheer monetary gain, but also, so they can pay for development and innovation. Again, this is two guys and an open source code that lets anybody who wants to try to create their own mods to the software. Not only are they building stuff on the backs of far, far superior software and the occasional canny user, but they really don't have the ability to offer anything that sets them apart from anyone else, other than just giving it away.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

As you Reap..., so shall you "so-so."

[ExpressMix]

I haven't used it since I upgraded to dp 7. But comparing it to garageband just isn't right.

That's an understatement.

It's very highly uniformed, the comment, which is quite odd coming from a community of supposed professionals.

James's reasons for blocking the name are understandable, but comparing it to Garageband is just... well... silly... and "fanboyish". I think people are actually quite shocked when they learn what it's capable of.

[SixStringGeek]

There are things I miss about a few of my old girlfriends, but I ain't leaving my wife.

Funny, for me it is the exact opposite.

FWIW The R thing has been "broken" for me for years. It can't deal with multiple hardware devices. I have more than one MIDI interface and the MIDI input selection menu looks like

Port 1
Port 1
Port 1
Port 2
Port 2
Port 3
Port 3

very useful (not). Clearly meant for kids without much gear.

[twistedtom]

What does this have to do with DP tips & techniques?

[James Steele]

What does this have to do with DP tips & techniques?

Not much. Should have moved it earlier.

[twistedtom]

It is not you James, hell you do to much for us now, never mind baby sitting where people post things. People need to read the forum topic guidelines and post in the correct place. For the most part it would be to their benefit as people that may have an answer or something to add would be looking in that forum.