R•••••

[Bennie Sims]

Someone please tell me what is R•••••? Excuse my naivete.

[cuttime]

It's a very grim topic, but if you look up wheat harvesting techniques, especially devised by Cyrus Mccormick, while listening to Blue Oyster Cult, you will be enlightened with scythe-like accuracy.

[kgdrum]

It's a very grim topic, but if you look up wheat harvesting techniques, especially devised by Cyrus Mccormick, while listening to Blue Oyster Cult, you will be enlightened with scythe-like accuracy.

I think this quote should be included with any mention of R****** lol

[Shooshie]

It's another DAW. You can Google it to learn more about it.

The opinion of MOTUNation is that the developer is dumping it basically for free, because the demo has no limitations, and does not cease to operate if the fee is never paid. Thus, it competes unfairly with other DAWs that are NOT free, such as DP. For this reason, MOTUNation censors the name to avoid giving it hits in Google searches.

Shooshie

[wheever]

...and all this time I thought it was Reason being censored.

[cuttime]

As Ye Sow...

[Armageddon]

It's another DAW. You can Google it to learn more about it.

The opinion of MOTUNation is that the developer is dumping it basically for free, because the demo has no limitations, and does not cease to operate if the fee is never paid. Thus, it competes unfairly with other DAWs that are NOT free, such as DP. For this reason, MOTUNation censors the name to avoid giving it hits in Google searches.

We've had this conversation before, I think, but I have to disagree with you on one front: it is NOT competing with other DAWs, unless you're characterizing GarageBand, Audacity, the free OEM version of Cubase, Tracktion and that $70 "DAW" for Windoze you can snag at any participating Best Buy (the name escapes me) as "competing DAWs". You really DO get what you pay for on that front. True, there's always gonna be an errant sucker who will gravitate towards the DAW That Shall Not Be Named, but from what I can tell, aside from a nifty open-code source for custom plugs, it really offers nothing, except a free way to get audio and MIDI into your computer. It would be like a professional video editor using iMovie. And considering how many people come here as registered DP users to get advice and work out the kinks in a vastly superior program, the mind boggles at how many (DAW That Shall Not Be Named) users that forsook its licensing fee for a "free DAW" who are neither getting customer support and are dealing with what boils down to a two-man operation (I'm serious, look it up! I just read an interview with these guys in TapeOp) when it comes to working out THOSE kinks. I suspect the people who would choose free over investing in professional software are the kind of people that mess around with it a few times and move onto something iPad-y.

[James Steele]

We've had this conversation before, I think, but I have to disagree with you on one front: it is NOT competing with other DAWs, unless you're characterizing GarageBand, Audacity, the free OEM version of Cubase, Tracktion and that $70 "DAW" for Windoze you can snag at any participating Best Buy (the name escapes me) as "competing DAWs". You really DO get what you pay for on that front.

I might tend to agree with you, but let me remind you of something. About the time that I put the block on the name of that DAW, it was not longer after DP was demoted in SOS. It went from having a monthly column (Performer Notes), to being dropped altogether according to some sources. A firestorm ensued and a good many users went to the SOS forums and pitched a fit. SOS claimed they were only reducing the number of articles and never intended to kill the column off. Whether you believe that or not is up to you, but doesn't matter.

So DP was relegated to one DAW specific column every three months or so, based on the results of a web survey asking what DAWs their readers used. I don't know if they are still publishing a DP column every three months or not at all.

Not long after the DP-specific column was majorly cut back, SOS announced a new MONTHLY column. A monthly Reaper column. So DP gets cut way back in the pages of SOS, and Reaper gets a monthly feature. Why? Again, based on the perceived "user base" as shown by response to a web poll that many of us here didn't really know about.

My contention was that rightly or wrongly, SOS cares about selling subscriptions. Whether a user base is a paid-up, registered user base or a user base that has been using an unlimited demo for years doesn't matter to them. I suspect that number of paid Reaper users is significantly smaller than their total user base that SOS based their decision to add monthly column on (again, shortly after majorly cutting back DP coverage).

So? No competition? I don't know. There's a good possibility their lax demo policy which effectively provides "FREE" fully-functioning copies for anyone willing to dismiss a nag dialog once per day, helped push its way onto the pages of SOS, while DP was pushed off. To my mind that's competition of an unfair kind.

[Killahurts]

There's a good possibility their lax demo policy which effectively provides "FREE" fully-functioning copies for anyone willing to dismiss a nag dialog once per day, helped push its way onto the pages of SOS, while DP was pushed off. To my mind that's competition of an unfair kind.

That's why I will refer to that cheap rag as S** whenever I post here, in addition to R*****.

I wouldn't subscribe to that amateur crap if they paid me

And.. I agree with Armageddon, I personally couldn't care less what kiddy apps are out there competing with Garageband.. I use a real, Big Boy DAW.

[James Steele]

That's why I will refer to that cheap rag as S** whenever I post here, in addition to R*****.

I wouldn't subscribe to that amateur crap if they paid me

I really take pains not to disparage apps. Reaper obviously fills a need, but my issue is with the demo version and the lack of serious effort to have it cease functioning after the demo period is expired.

Also, I liked SOS and found it a good publication. In many ways I miss receiving it, but my decision to let my subscription lapse was just a protest vote on principle for me. Probably has little impact. I actually had a very cordial and friendly discussion with one of the SOS management team at NAMM one year. He was a very nice guy and we had a lot in common in terms of music and our love for certain amplifiers and guitars, etc. I explained politely my unhappiness over cutting back DP coverage and also my PERSONAL OPINION that Reaper's user base is very likely inflated in these web polls by users who have not paid for the app, and that it was a very cutthroat way to rapidly build market share. We heard each other's positions. I understood his. They're simply responding to what they perceive the market wants. And he didn't say this, but I suspect that really they can't really ascertain which of the Reaper users are legit, registered users and which are simply using unlimited demos. They're responding to what they see as the number of Reaper users. That's why I blame the business practices of the company that develops Reaper.

I stress that is simply my own personal opinion and why I don't wish to give them Google search hits on this site.

There was also a funny incident some years ago when a Reaper user signed up for this board so he could ask for someone to send him a particular DP theme bundle so he could extract the graphics and use them to duplicate the DP theme in Reaper. I had to shut him down on that one, as those graphics are property of MOTU. He could probably legally start from scratch and try and duplicate it, but taking the graphics from a bundle is a no-no.

[stoecklem]

I haven't used it since I upgraded to dp 7. But comparing it to garageband just isn't right. I'm a happy dp user , but after using it for awhile there are things I miss, especially the routing matrix.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I haven't used it since I upgraded to dp 7. But comparing it to garageband just isn't right. I'm a happy dp user , but after using it for awhile there are things I miss, especially the routing matrix.

Totally understandable. There are still things I miss from SMPTETrack on my Atari and certainly stuff from Studio Vision Pro on the Mac, I just can't remember what they are anymore.

[HCMarkus]

There are things I miss about a few of my old girlfriends, but I ain't leaving my wife.

[kgdrum]

There are things I miss about a few of my old girlfriends, but I ain't leaving my wife.

are you being sentimental or you talking about California's community property laws?

[James Steele]

...or you talking about California's community property laws?

I lived in this really nice house once.