Suggestions for next DP update

[mjmoody]

I would like an easier way to arrange "on the fly," for live performances (competition for "MainStage"). John

[dgrussell]

• mute MIDI notes
• a quicker way to pencil in, different CCs one after the other.

(like if you pencil in a MIDI track an adjustment on expression, then you want a little adjustment on the modulation etc... it becomes sort of a pain to have go through the mebus and select.) If you need to do this very often, you'll perfectly understand my point.

ABSOLUTELY to both!!!! Muting MIDI notes (or sections of notes) would be very helpful.

It sounds like you are like me and edit A LOT of MIDI CCs. I would love to see a way to quick key the different CCs in the Graphic Editor. CTRL-V to select Volume, CTRL-M for mod etc would save me hours of time over the course of a year!

[b.g.]

I'd like Consoles to be saved like Presets, so they're available to all DP files.

[frankf]

Has this been mentioned?
- Select track(s) in Mixer
Frank


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[FMiguelez]

Has this been mentioned?
- Select track(s) in Mixer

+1000000000

Yes, it has, Frank. But this feature is SO necessary (and basic), that it's Ok to repeat it until MOTU gives it to us!

[James Steele]

+1. It would be nice to be able to have this and make adjustments with my AlphaTrack in the mixing board view too.

[remmet]

Just curious: Am I the only one who desperately wants the "record enable," "play enable," and "solo" buttons put back in the event MIDI edit list windows?

I use the MIDI event lists exclusively for editing. I write a lot of orchestral music, and using the graphic editing windows would be impractical for the extensive editing involved.

That being the case, I am constantly opening up these event edit lists, and when they are open, they cover the other windows - like the track overviews window. Therefore, whenever I'm working on an event list (or multiple lists) and need to put one of them into record or play mode, I have to go back to the the tracks overview window to do it. I can't do it from the event list I'm working on. So when I click on the T.O. window to access the record or play enable buttons, my event lists get covered up. So after dealing with the T.O. window, I have to do more clicking and hunting to find the event list(s) again.

Doing this for 10 hours in a row is exhausting being belief. Is no one else bothered by this?

(I realize you can access the record and play (and solo) enable buttons from the mixer window, but on my system, that's on another monitor and would still require more work than having direct access from the event list windows themselves.

And in a related issue, what happened to the "move to back" buttons on windows? Their absence complicates the whole process of relocating the event list windows.

Please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Richard

[FMiguelez]

Just curious: Am I the only one who desperately wants the "record enable," "play enable," and "solo" buttons put back in the event MIDI edit list windows?

I'm afraid you are, or you have little company here at best...

I use the MIDI event lists exclusively for editing. I write a lot of orchestral music, and using the graphic editing windows would be impractical for the extensive editing involved.

Really? You mean the GE is "more impractical" than the Event List window?
I do a lot of orchestral stuff too, and I could not see myself using the Event List windows that much... What kind of editing are you doing, exactly?
I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. I am not critiquing you.

You are aware that you can basically have the Event List embedded into the GE window (or ANY other editor at the top of the window), right?
Is it Ok for me to ask you what is it exactly you find less clumsy (or faster) about the Event list than working with the GE or SE or QS? Especially knowing you can still see it at the top of any of those windows. Just curious...

Doing this for 10 hours in a row is exhausting being belief. Is no one else bothered by this?

I bet it is!

And in a related issue, what happened to the "move to back" buttons on windows? Their absence complicates the whole process of relocating the event list windows.

I miss that little button too, but for different reasons.
Would using Expose help at all?

[Umbrella]

For "move to back" - the ⌘` command toggles the "focus" through whatever DP windows are open, and ⌃F4 will toggle through all running applications' windows. These commands have to be enabled in OS X's "Keyboard Shortcuts" preference pane to work.

[remmet]

I use the MIDI event lists exclusively for editing. I write a lot of orchestral music, and using the graphic editing windows would be impractical for the extensive editing involved.

Really? You mean the GE is "more impractical" than the Event List window?
I do a lot of orchestral stuff too, and I could not see myself using the Event List windows that much... What kind of editing are you doing, exactly?
I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. I am not critiquing you.

I've been using the Event Lists for editing MIDI data since Performer first appeared in the 1980's. I'm very fast at it. I need as much precision as possible, and typing numbers to edit note location, velocity, and duration is very fast and precise for me. On the other hand, dealing with bars and graphs that represent pitches, locations, and durations, etc. just don't compute for me visually, and not having used that method, I don't know how you'd get the same level of precision and speed as I get using the event lists.

You are aware that you can basically have the Event List embedded into the GE window (or ANY other editor at the top of the window), right?

Actually, no. I should probably figure that out and see if it works for me.

Is it Ok for me to ask you what is it exactly you find less clumsy (or faster) about the Event list than working with the GE or SE or QS? Especially knowing you can still see it at the top of any of those windows. Just curious...

See above. As for QS, if I need to push back a note 17 ticks to compensate for a slow attack time, how would that be possible in a notation window? How would I make a note 35 ticks in duration to give it a precise amount of staccato - without creating a cluttered field of 64th-note rests all over the place? Notation programs are great for creating scores and parts and for checking your orchestration, etc. But I would never use a one for creating usable MIDI tracks. It simply doesn't allow for the precision I need.

All I want are those 3 little buttons in the Event List window. Is that too much to ask?

Anyway, if you do orchestral production and use those other editing methods successfully, they obviously work for you. I'd be interested to see how you work with the GE.

Richard

[Shooshie]

Just curious: Am I the only one who desperately wants the "record enable," "play enable," and "solo" buttons put back in the event MIDI edit list windows?

I use the MIDI event lists exclusively for editing. I write a lot of orchestral music, and using the graphic editing windows would be impractical for the extensive editing involved.

That being the case, I am constantly opening up these event edit lists, and when they are open, they cover the other windows - like the track overviews window. Therefore, whenever I'm working on an event list (or multiple lists) and need to put one of them into record or play mode, I have to go back to the the tracks overview window to do it. I can't do it from the event list I'm working on. So when I click on the T.O. window to access the record or play enable buttons, my event lists get covered up. So after dealing with the T.O. window, I have to do more clicking and hunting to find the event list(s) again.

Doing this for 10 hours in a row is exhausting being belief. Is no one else bothered by this?

(I realize you can access the record and play (and solo) enable buttons from the mixer window, but on my system, that's on another monitor and would still require more work than having direct access from the event list windows themselves.

And in a related issue, what happened to the "move to back" buttons on windows? Their absence complicates the whole process of relocating the event list windows.

Please tell me if I'm missing something here.

Richard

It's perfectly reasonable to want the transport controls on the Event List window. I don't know why it's not there. But in the short term, you would do well to learn the keyboard command for cycling through windows, and to become friends with the Exposé commands. Also, Spaces might be usable for you.

First the Cycle Windows command: COMMAND ~ (command key and the tilde key, the one right under the escape key) If this does not work, then it's either because you've got it turned off in the Mac keyboard preferences, or you've got some other shortcut command overriding it. That's one of the ones you should leave the way OSX originally sets it.

Next, Exposé: I think the Mac's defaults for Exposé are F9, F10, and F11. I changed mine to F1, F2, and F3. Those are infinitely useful in a multiple window environment, where every window needs as much space as it can get. Using Exposé becomes 2nd nature, and you can quickly switch windows with it, without even touching the mouse. (Invoke Exposé, then use arrow keys to focus on desired windows)

Finally, there is Apple's "Spaces." I don't remember when this was added to OSX, but I think it was there in Tiger. In any case, it works great in Snow Leopard. There's a post on it in the DP Tips Sheet on page 5. http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 45#p199845" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've grown to depend on Spaces when working in DP. It is one of the greatest things that ever happened to DP, and it was Apple who gave it to us! If you follow the instructions for setting it up, it only takes a few seconds to do it when you first open a file. If you don't do it as per the instructions in that post, it can take much longer and be frustrating. The way I describe it is actually a built-in shortcut that Apple's programmers gave us.

Finally, I just want to comment on the usage of Event List and Graphic Editor windows. I've been using DP since the Performer days, version 1, when there was no graphic editor window. Everything was Event List or nothing, basically, though you could do some of the coarse stuff -- moving blocks of MIDI data -- in the Tracks Overview Window. I had to learn to do everything in terms of numbers, including accents, crescendos, voicing of chords, and so forth. It was helpful in teaching me the "underbelly" of MIDI, so that now I have a deeper understanding of what's going on in the Graphic Editor Window. Almost all of my work now and then has been classical, orchestral and chamber music, though I did make my living for nearly 20 years in the rock/pop field.

But what I'm getting to is that there is no comparison between the Event List and the Graphic Editor Window. The Graphic window makes orchestral editing amazingly easier and faster. If you have not found that out, I suspect it's because you haven't given it a good try. Use the manual and learn about the drawing tools for the Graphic Editor window. They are outstanding, and I don't think that any other DAW has tools that even come close to the ease of use, fast and efficient workflow, and the power of these tools.

They are more suited for orchestral music than any other style, IMO, and were a godsend for me when they arrived back in about 1991 or so. Trust me, if you haven't spent time in the Graphic Editor Window -- especially since it became possible to see all tracks in one window -- then you're not doing yourself any favors.

But if the Event List remains your preference, by all means it should have transport controls like the other windows. It surprises me that MOTU removed them. Their recent goals have been to make all windows behave more alike than differently.

Good luck, and I hope you find a working method that works for you.

Shooshie

[FMiguelez]

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@ Richard:

Yeah. Getting back those 3 "little buttons" is not too much to ask.
I would like to see the Send Window to Back button you mentioned back myself.
It was so nice to just press it and immediately see all the 10 plug-ins that were hiding behind the window. In this case, it was faster and better than Exposé.

You should definitely check out the Preferences section where you can tell DP to show you the Event list (and much more, such as mini-faders and all kind of info stuff) at the top of any window.

You've mentioned that you are so used to the Event List window that you haven't really tried the other editors. Please do yourself a favor and try them. But be fair. Give yourself sometime to absorb the new workflow, and also read those sections of the manual.
I really think you will thank us for this friendly "scolding" down the line.
If after you give the other graphic editors a fair shot you still don't like them, you are free to go back to your Event List, of course. But try them out!

As for your question about moving by some ticks a bunch of notes in the QS editor, I'll tell you this:
Each editor has its strengths and weaknesses. You should use each one according to its strength. But even in the QS window, you could move a bunch of notes, say, 35 ticks to the left to compensate for the slow attack by selecting them and using the Shift command (with a shortcut, of course).
Or simpler yet, in the GE select the notes, and move them manually with the mouse, or by a certain amount dictated by the grid using the arrows, or with the Shift command, or with whatever method suits you. But in this window you would get visual feedback of your moves (among a million other things).
In the GE you will get the best of both worlds: the precision you need, and the simplicity and intuitive-friendly visual feed back of anything you do.
And remember you can have a "monophonic" Event Editor list too at the top of any editor window!

[remmet]

Okay - you've all convinced me that I should check out the graphic editing features, etc. on DP. I'd love to see a video of someone using this method so I could get a quick frame of reference about it. (Don't worry - I'll read the manual too.)

Thanks for the friendly chiding. If there are better ways of doing things, I'm willing to listen.

Richard
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[Timeline]

A couple of other things....

Please MOTU flip the input output selects in the sequence window so it's like the fader IO selects. It's more natural to keep them the same.

I know I already asked for this but a pref to NOT have the sends at unity would be great for this old timer.

[kassonica]

A couple of other things....

Please MOTU flip the input output selects in the sequence window so it's like the fader IO selects. It's more natural to keep them the same.

I know I already asked for this but a pref to NOT have the sends at unity would be great for this old timer.

Both +1000000000000

SW Input output does my head in every time, it's so NOT logical.....