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Re: DP 7 Officially Announced!!!!

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Mr_Clifford wrote:Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but we're not talking about 64bit audio here are we? I was under the impression that the 64bit was more about memory addressing stuff, enabling loading up of more than 8gig worth of samples etc. I don't see how that would affect the 'sound' of DAW.
Yeah you're right. This whole thing gets confusing and we're talking about 64 bit memory addressing is what I understand it to mean. The idea is that the OS will be able to address much larger amounts of RAM than currently possible. As far as 64-bit audio goes, I don't know much about that either. I have heard that Sonar for the Windows platform might have 64 bit audio or something? I just don't know. Frankly, I work almost exclusively in 24-bit/44.1k and am a happy camper, so what the heck do I know? :)
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Re: DP 7 Officially Announced!!!!

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kassonica wrote:Thats exactly right.

64 bit operating system NOT audio.

It simply means you will be able to address up to terabytes of RAM.
Well I guess that puts me in the "couldn't care less if DP never goes 64bit" camp then. I don't want to offend the people that are screaming for it, but it seems to be a lot less of a deal-breaker than some are making out.
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Mr_Clifford wrote: Can someone correct me if I'm wrong, but we're not talking about 64bit audio here are we? I was under the impression that the 64bit was more about memory addressing stuff, enabling loading up of more than 8gig worth of samples etc. I don't see how that would affect the 'sound' of DAW.
Yes, it's about a 64bit DAW running in a 64bit OS. I couldn't care less about a 64bit floating point audio engine, bit depth in audio engines is a bit overhyped and controversial since fixed point engines in lower bit depth has even proven to be superior in certian cases like in PTHD; a standard 32bit floating point has enough resolution as it is, that it can even handle DSD processing if need be.

But a 64bit DAW in a 64bit OS is essential for memory addressing particularly when your working on scoring at high sample rates when you need to open up large amounts of VIs and plugins and that 32bit 3.5GB memory barrier just gets in the way.

The new Kontakt 4 will be helping with this but doesn't relieve the problem completely because having a bunch of tracks at 96 or 192 and the memory just isn't enough and the system just starts crawl or crash, also converters rely heavily on memory when working at high sample rates as well as plugins particularly convolution reverbs.

It's an awkward position we have right now in the computing world where maybe for the first time the hardware available is actually more powerful than the software that's running it and it's the software that actually needs catch up just fully utilize the full power of the current systems.
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Now for the big question, does anyone know when 7 will be shipping as my supplier down here says there is no word from Motu as when that will be.

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James Steele wrote:
Michael Canavan wrote:
waxman wrote:The truth is DP 6.02 is stable on Snow Leopard... for those who are on Intel machines that are concerned about the cost of upgrading DP7 a great solution is the $29 upgrade to Snow Leopard.
OK one thing here, NI are cautious about this, for those of us with NI kit:

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/su ... atibility/
When the NI stuff works, it's truly awesome, but the NI stuff has always been "iffy" when it comes to DP. The DP 6.02/PPC/Leopard combo was a nightmare for a number of the NI VIs and forced me back to Tiger for a while. Ahhh, I look forward to being able to get an Intel machine some day.
this is from the NI Site...
These issues do not affect NI products already installed under a previous Mac OS X version that is later updated to Mac OS X 10.6.
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waxman wrote:
this is from the NI Site...
These issues do not affect NI products already installed under a previous Mac OS X version that is later updated to Mac OS X 10.6.
Which is cool if you already have everything you need from NI installed, but a risk if you need to install anything new from them. And what about upgrading to Kontakt 4, Ab5?
I was thinking of taking advantage of the Komplete 6 upgrade (from Kontakt3/Reaktor5) this fall. NI's tech note probably means I should delay installing SL until I do that, or until we get the all clear from NI.
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jloeb wrote:
waxman wrote:
this is from the NI Site...
These issues do not affect NI products already installed under a previous Mac OS X version that is later updated to Mac OS X 10.6.
Which is cool if you already have everything you need from NI installed, but a risk if you need to install anything new from them. And what about upgrading to Kontakt 4, Ab5?
I was thinking of taking advantage of the Komplete 6 upgrade (from Kontakt3/Reaktor5) this fall. NI's tech note probably means I should delay installing SL until I do that, or until we get the all clear from NI.
Yeah I'm in that boat. I do everything on a 17" macbook pro, and that Seagate 500GB 7200rpm laptop drive is super tempting. Plus I kinda like a fresh instal... so what happens there? Looks like it's a good idea to wait it out a bit before getting Komplete 6, Snow Leopard, DP7, and that HD.
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kassonica wrote:Now for the big question, does anyone know when 7 will be shipping as my supplier down here says there is no word from Motu as when that will be.
MOTU Sales said they'll begin mailing them out this week
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kwiz wrote:
dinobass wrote:Dp 6.02 is working much better in SL, but I've still had 7 or 8 crashes since I upgraded. Never had that many with DP before 6, but I was using a PPC Mac with Tiger or Leopard then. I'm starting to think that my 2408 has something to do with the crashes, not liking either the Intel or the OS. For instance, certain web sites crash when my computer audio is set to the PCI-424 card, but don't crash when I have it set to internal.
Wow...
Do you have the latest audio driver installed for your 2408?
Yep; and removed the MOTU Tiger extension file that gets installed with the latest SL compatible PCI-424 driver (that causes it to NOT be SL compatible). I'm pretty sure all my programs and plugs are up-to-date, my permissions are verified, etc. SL has definitely improved my Intel Mac experience, but it still doesn't feel quite as solid as DP 5 on my PPC Mac running Tiger. I wonder if a big part of a rig feeling solid is knowing what bugs and what activities to avoid, instinctively. Getting a whole new rig, you start to push it to see what is and isn't possible, and that leads to thinking things aren't as solid as what you had been using for the past couple of years. That being said, I hope DP 7 (which I guess I'll receive this week) improves on DP 6.02, stability-wise.
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It's interesting that they didn't change the packaging and logos and such this time. I'm glad they didn't, it looks great and DP5 looked pretty dopey. It doesn't fight the impression that this is really 6.5 though.

I'm willing to bet that there's going to be a 7.5 that will be a major upgrade, but free or cheap. Mark my words. I think PT did something like that once. If I had any sort of reliable memory I could tell you for sure.

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Question; As 32 bits only allows 4GB of ram to be addressed and most people having DP crash are having it do so with large projects with lots of 3rd party plug-ins and VI’s running, could part of the problem be you are forcing DP to use virtual ram as in the hard drive? If so would 64 bits make it more stable under these conditions?

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I was a the MOTU site looking at DP7.
My first impression; What the hell is that guitar that guy is playing in the amp sim videos? Seriously, What the heck? Wonder what it sounds like with a real guitar? If you go to the last couple videos there's a different guy playing something that's more like a real guitar. Apparently there are no guitar stores around there.

Anyway, I also remembered that I had actually made money, a real paying gig with DP6 that far more than paid for it. So I guess at some point I'll get DP7 and shut up about it.

It was one of the few times I've used DP for work, and one of the few times I've used DP6. I could have used PT for it, but I was screwing around with it on my notebook and DP6, then transfered it to the G5 and didn't want to start over in PT. Mostly I used it as an exercise to try out DP6. It worked great and I justified my expense, sort of. Let's just say it did, I really need to justify my gear buying expenses.

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bongo_x wrote:I was a the MOTU site looking at DP7.
My first impression; What the hell is that guitar that guy is playing in the amp sim videos? Seriously, What the heck? Wonder what it sounds like with a real guitar? If you go to the last couple videos there's a different guy playing something that's more like a real guitar. Apparently there are no guitar stores around there.
I think we're splitting hairs a bit. I don't kow why you're ripping on the guitars. I mean I have some nice guitars, but your post comes off as unnecessarily mocking and denigrating. I have a very expensive custom made USA Dean with the serial number hand-painted on the back of the headstock. It's also signed by Dean Zelinsky himself. I also have a "cheap" $1000 imported Dean Razorback V. Sometimes I like playing the cheapo better dependng on the song. As far as the MOTU videos go, I don't know what the first guitar is. Offhand, why it looks like what is probably a mid-range solid body electric with a single bridge pickup. I don't recognize the fret markers. The second one looks like it might be a PRS perhaps... a "real" guitar possibly. They could have used a fake guitar and snuck it by me though. It looked real.

I mean maybe I'm just a blithering idiot and been sleeping for the 30+ years I've played guitar, but given a certain minimum quality, the guitars I saw in the video aren't going to make the amp modeling sound like crap. The amp modeling itself will do that. :lol: And solid bodies, given certain basic minimum standards and decent pickups are going to sound "okay" unless they are COMPLETE laminated "layer cake" garbage. Given it's audio from a Quick Time video of amp modeling, I don't know necessarily what sort of improvement we would pick out between the guitars used and a basic Les Paul Standard, American Strat, or a [Insert Your Favorite Here]. I'm thinking it won't be so pronounced between those "fake" guitars and your "real" guitar of choice. Look at it this way: if the guitars on the video are crap, then it should sound just that much better, right?

Personally, I'll continue to use my amp which still SMOKES any amp modeler I've heard to date and for those times I'm just trackng scratch tracks, I'll use my PodXT. I just am not the target demographic for guitar amp plug-ins. I do think however that the analog chorus looks like something I could get into for guitar tracks once they're recorded. The distortion pedals and fuzz mean nothing to me personally. I would have loved to see more time domain stuff like the Electric Mistress flanger, a tape echo (Space Echo, Echoplex), or even an emulation of an MXR Phase 90.
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twistedtom wrote:Question; As 32 bits only allows 4GB of ram to be addressed and most people having DP crash are having it do so with large projects with lots of 3rd party plug-ins and VI’s running, could part of the problem be you are forcing DP to use virtual ram as in the hard drive? If so would 64 bits make it more stable under these conditions?
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A 32bit app is technically limited to 4GB ram but if you check at the activity monitor the limit really is just 3.5GB. That 3.5GB memory limit can either be a combination of physical or virtual memory whatever your system allocates for what is needed for the project but it cannot exceed 3.5GB.

Yes, a 64bit app on a 64bit OS will smash the 3.5GB barrier. Hyper-threading will also improve on a 64bit app.
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James Steele wrote:I would have loved to see more time domain stuff like the Electric Mistress flanger, a tape echo (Space Echo, Echoplex), or even an emulation of an MXR Phase 90.
For what it's worth, the Scarbee Vintage Keyboard FX plug-in contains an emulation of a tape echo, as well as a phaser which includes models of both the Phase 90 and also Mutron Bi-Phase (they don't mention those by name in the documentation, but the hints are pretty clear), not to mention chorus, preamp, overdrive, etc. I don't have anything to compare it to, but I think it's a really well-done plug-in. It's geared towards the instruments in Scarbee's library like Rhodes, Clav, Wurly, etc, but you could of course use it on anything.
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