Screencast of Composing with DP and Bidule

[rikp]

rikp, I joined the party and made a flick to show 101 on this thing. Not that I know anything at all about this, mind you.

Link:

http://www.rfjmusic.com/bidule.mov

WORKED LIKE A CHARM! Hey, if you ever need any saxophone tracks for a project just let me know. I owe you one! I AM ON MY WAY! Nice to see that you are also still using DP 5.13. We have a very similar setup. How is play behaving for you? I have it loaded on another Mac and have had no problems!

Peace

Rik Pfenninger

No problem, Rik. It's all about helping the family, right? I myself have been served many times over by the efforts of the nice people on this board. And I may take you up on some sax tracks sometime!

Play is working good for me. It was not working well when it was on a drive that was almost full, but I moved the samples over to another drive that was almost empty and now it is rocking. And yes, I have had DP 6.0 sitting here in its box since July. I can't afford to move up until there's 95% consensus of stability from the guys on this forum, which I don't believe we are quite there yet.

I am going to spend some time this weekend and make a bunch of setups with Bidule and see what I can come up with.

One interesting thing I noticed is that when I switch buffer settings in DP Bidule dumps and reloads the VI's in its setup just as DP does. Interesting.

BTW, Rik, check Mike's sig for his setup details.

Thanks again for the jump start! I am putting together my template and man is it time consuming! But when all is said and done it will be worth it! I too have DP 6 sitting on my new intel Mac Pro but I am still using my G5 PPC with DP 5.13. I, like you am waiting for the dust to settle! My setup works and I can turn out projects for clients with minimal hassle, so why rock the boat!

Thanks again, and I was dead serious about the sax tracks

Peace

Rik Pfenninger

[jbsound]

I'm interested in people's views whether the orchestral stuff should be separated into long and short, as Mike has done, or as I have often been recommended to do, high and low stems. When I've had a real (!) mixing engineer mix my stuff he generally separates his buses into high and low orchestral instruments so as to put a smaller reverb on the low stuff, to avoid muddiness. What are people's thoughts?

I split LONGS and SHORTS because generally LONGS have more verb than SHORTS. And sometimes a mixer will want to do that. But really, I haven't thought about it, I just know a lot of composers who do it this way, so I'm following them.

rikp, I joined the party and made a flick to show 101 on this thing. Not that I know anything at all about this, mind you.

Link:

http://www.rfjmusic.com/bidule.mov

Nice video! Thanks for making one that actually does the job of explaining it, unlike mine.

Mike

Mike,

Which VSL library do you have? SE or the full blown?

Thanks, btw, for the videos. Awesome to see how you worked through the details of setting up your work environment.

You also mentioned Sibelius. Are you using it as your compositional tool at all, or just simply for notation of your pieces?

Thanks,

JB

[erikjamesmusic]

Mike, thanks for these videos. Bidule seems very cool. Two questions:

1.Which VSL libraries are you using? Those woodwinds sound spectacular.

2. In EWQLSO (or any other library, for that matter) do you use the keyswitch MASTER patches (loading all articulations) or keyswitch ELEMENT patches (loading just one patch at a time)? If you DO indeed use the master keyswitch patch, then how do you go about implementing them? On the fly while recording, or do you record a first pass with a basic articulation and than go back and write in the keyswitches (different articulations)?

Thanks in advance.

e

[haim]

Can you please tell me what library is used for "BIG MUTED STRINGS" in this template ?

Thanks for your time

Respect

J. R. Haim

[c0mp0ser]

1.Which VSL libraries are you using? Those woodwinds sound spectacular.

2. In EWQLSO (or any other library, for that matter) do you use the keyswitch MASTER patches (loading all articulations) or keyswitch ELEMENT patches (loading just one patch at a time)? If you DO indeed use the master keyswitch patch, then how do you go about implementing them? On the fly while recording, or do you record a first pass with a basic articulation and than go back and write in the keyswitches (different articulations)?

Howdy,
1) Just using the VSL SE WW and VSL SE Brass. Just the standard, I really just wanted it for the legato. I also purchased the "single instrument" download for the VSL Epic Horns. Those are super.

2) I don't use keyswitch patches. I put each articulation on its own MIDI track.

JB: I just use Sibelius if the sequence needs to be converted into notation for live players.

[erikjamesmusic]

1.Which VSL libraries are you using? Those woodwinds sound spectacular.

2. In EWQLSO (or any other library, for that matter) do you use the keyswitch MASTER patches (loading all articulations) or keyswitch ELEMENT patches (loading just one patch at a time)? If you DO indeed use the master keyswitch patch, then how do you go about implementing them? On the fly while recording, or do you record a first pass with a basic articulation and than go back and write in the keyswitches (different articulations)?

Howdy,
1) Just using the VSL SE WW and VSL SE Brass. Just the standard, I really just wanted it for the legato. I also purchased the "single instrument" download for the VSL Epic Horns. Those are super.

2) I don't use keyswitch patches. I put each articulation on its own MIDI track.

JB: I just use Sibelius if the sequence needs to be converted into notation for live players.

Thanks for sharing this info with us, Mike.

1. So you just have VSL Standard, not the Standard Plus?

2. When using EWQLSO, do you use the Stage or Surround mic positions for any patches, or do you keep things dry with the Close mic position? I have altiverb as well, and usually like to keep things dry until the mix, but the Stage mic position from EW is such a great natural reverb. Just curious.

Thanks!

e

[rikp]

I just have to say that I finally finished my orchestral template using Bidule and it is the Cat's Pajamas! I have my EW Play on another mac, but am running my VSL, Project SAM, Symphobia, Ivory, Kontakt 3 libraries all on my main DP computer. Works great! I am currently working on a fairly large project so I will let you know how it behaves. As of right now, no problems. Other than the fact that it took me about 20 hours to get the orchestral template set up! I will say that it makes orchestrating a piece much easier!

Thanks to all who helped me get up and running on Bidule! That is why I love this forum. Good peeps!

Peace

Rik Pfenninger

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I'm still waiting for the new release of Bidule. I was told by the developer it would be out last week - why is this starting to sound familiar??? <sigh> According to the website, if you don't already have a license you cannot d/load the program until the new version comes out. It's not critical, but I'd sure like to get moving on this.

[erikjamesmusic]

A little off topic, but as an addendum to my previous post, I'm looking to buy some vienna VSL SE samples in addition to EWQLSO Platinum Plus. There are actually four different VSL SE libraries available.

1. Standard
2. Standard Extended
3. Plus
4. Plus Extended

Like, Mike, I'm just buying them for the legatos. Should the SE Standard package be sufficient, or should i get the Standard Extended as well?

[jroadrage]

A little off topic, but as an addendum to my previous post, I'm looking to buy some vienna VSL SE samples in addition to EWQLSO Platinum Plus. There are actually four different VSL SE libraries available.

1. Standard
2. Standard Extended
3. Plus
4. Plus Extended

Like, Mike, I'm just buying them for the legatos. Should the SE Standard package be sufficient, or should i get the Standard Extended as well?

Here's a link the instrument and articulation list for SE standard and extended:

http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/982/559/684/409.htm

and for SE Plus standard and extended:

http://vsl.co.at/en/211/442/982/954/959/596.htm

The best way to think of it is the extended libraries expand on instrumentation where as the PLUS library expands on articulations.

If you really just want some legato instruments to compliment EWQLSO than the SE standard should be a good start. There's certainly a lot that can be done with just the SE package and the VI/VE software really is pretty easy to learn and has been rock solid for me.

Hope that helps.

[c0mp0ser]

1. Standard
2. Standard Extended
3. Plus
4. Plus Extended

Like, Mike, I'm just buying them for the legatos. Should the SE Standard package be sufficient, or should i get the Standard Extended as well?

Hi Erik,

I just have 1. Standard. Not even the standard extended. All I wanted was the Legato and Staccato. That's all you really need for 80% of stuff... right? Maybe I'm just a hack composer. If I ever need any more detail than that, I'll hire a human being.
Also on another note, I just loaded up the VSL WW and BRASS legato patch, but I set it up so that if I play harder than 60 velocity, it automatically triggers the staccato patch. Really nice for switching between short and long without having to deal with annoying keyswitches. Maybe I'll do a quick demo of that. That Vienna Instruments player is actually really cool if you just sit and play with it.

Mike

[daveyboy]

I found the demo download of Bidule today (not sure if it's the latest version or not) and got it up and running. Thanks to Mike and you guys. Question for Mike: What is the other object in your setup that the instruments feed into prior to hitting the rewire bus out? Is it a mixer of some sort? Just curious. I haven't spent enough time futzing around other than to just get it to work. Also, you said there's a 2 gb limit. Is that set by the bidule app? Is DP's limit also 2 gb? I have a whopping 10 gbs or ram that I assume won't get any use for a long time. Thanks!

[rikp]

1. Standard
2. Standard Extended
3. Plus
4. Plus Extended

Like, Mike, I'm just buying them for the legatos. Should the SE Standard package be sufficient, or should i get the Standard Extended as well?

Hi Erik,

I just have 1. Standard. Not even the standard extended. All I wanted was the Legato and Staccato. That's all you really need for 80% of stuff... right? Maybe I'm just a hack composer. If I ever need any more detail than that, I'll hire a human being.
Also on another note, I just loaded up the VSL WW and BRASS legato patch, but I set it up so that if I play harder than 60 velocity, it automatically triggers the staccato patch. Really nice for switching between short and long without having to deal with annoying keyswitches. Maybe I'll do a quick demo of that. That Vienna Instruments player is actually really cool if you just sit and play with it.

Mike

Mike,

A demo of that would be GREAT

Peace

Rik Pfenninger

[Shooshie]

I say demos from EVERYONE would be great. I'm learning VSL SE, and I'll probably get the Extended Edition when my 140 launch trial period expires, as I'm using things that I know are in the Extended Edition. But I'm at that point where things are just starting to make sense, and yet to see how others go about setting it up would increase my flight up that learning curve exponentially. Further, I'm learning it with the WX-5 MIDI Wind Controller, which complicates things a little, but Vienna is one of the few which actually allows a wind controller to have as much control as a keyboard, if not more. I'd like to see everyone's methods, and when I get familiar enough to know what I'm doing several steps before I do it, I'll post my video tutorials as well. So fire up those screen-capture cameras, boys and girls! Show us what you do!

Shooshie

[rikp]

I say demos from EVERYONE would be great. I'm learning VSL SE, and I'll probably get the Extended Edition when my 140 launch trial period expires, as I'm using things that I know are in the Extended Edition. But I'm at that point where things are just starting to make sense, and yet to see how others go about setting it up would increase my flight up that learning curve exponentially. Further, I'm learning it with the WX-5 MIDI Wind Controller, which complicates things a little, but Vienna is one of the few which actually allows a wind controller to have as much control as a keyboard, if not more. I'd like to see everyone's methods, and when I get familiar enough to know what I'm doing several steps before I do it, I'll post my video tutorials as well. So fire up those screen-capture cameras, boys and girls! Show us what you do!

Shooshie

What Shooshie said...


Peace

Rik Pfenninger