DP7 THE WISH LIST

[Shooshie]

Man, I hear you all on the stability thing. Its unbelievable that they released dp6 with all the problems it has.

Unfortunate, but not unbelievable. In fact, it seems to be pretty normal for major upgrades. DP4.0 was a disaster. Truly. DP5.0 was very problematic, but in mixed ways. There were plugin incompatibilities, and other problems. It didn't really get rolling until DP 5.12, and then required 5.13 to finally make it fairly stable. Then we finally, finally got to 6.0, and honestly and truly I expected pretty much what we got. I'm betting on DP 6.13 to be our favorite version ever, just as 5.13 was, 4.12, and probably a stable version around 4.5 or 4.6.

But for the first time, we've got MOTU onto a cross-generational bug that's been there since 4.0. They've finally confirmed the volume surge bug, and that's huge. If they also find the MIDI burst bug, then we'll be cooking with propane and propane accessories.

Shooshie

[tobysan]

My #1 wish: an Improvement on their slow and worst tech support I've ever seen so far,
Thanks to all the good and respectful people on this amazing forum i can improve and fix all the problems and headaches on my upgrade to DP 6.01

Thanks Motunation

[Tonio Ruiz]

My biggest wish because of what I do on a daily basis (Spot Production) is the manual fade tools like the 'Pencil' & 'Finger'. I used Pro Tools for 12 years and I have to say I appreciate how you can manually draw in volume adjustments. There is one tool, a Finger like DP, however it doesn't change to a different multi-tool like DP does which is the 'Laso' AND you don't have to be 100% spot on the volume line to make the adjustment. Even if you were close to the line in DP where it wouldn't switch to the Laso would be fine you simply have to be spot on or it switches...drives me CRAZY. Then the 'Pencil' tool if you aren't 100% spot on there it will move the volume line to a different volume level...also drives me CRAZY. Also in Pro Tools the numeric read out of the adjustment that you are making pops up right next to the cursor point where you are making the volume adjustment so you don't have to move your eyes all over the place to see what level you are changing it to...it's just more simplistic and a better design...isn't that what this is all about? Making things more user friendly and simplistic?? Believe me I can't stand Pro Tools now and absolutely LOVE DP - it's much more stable, my UA plugs work perfectly without giving me errors that there isn't enough resources when bouncing out 4 tracks (really??), pretty much all around DP is better but this one thing for what I do. It probably would be a simple code change to get the Finger to have more playing room before it switches to the Laso...seems simple enough and would make it so much easier to work with. OR if you were able to hold down a key that makes it STAY as the Finger, another simple solution.

Next would love to be able to Normalize audio without having to go into a different window, select it, normalize it and then go back to the Sequence window....why? If I wanted to do all those redundant moves I would have bought a PC (hehe hehe). It should be as simple as click on the audio in the Sequence window do a quick key to normalize and done.

I would love the option to enlarge the over all programs font size...I'm 45 have 2 21" monitors about 3 feet away and dang it's tough to flippin' see sometimes.

There's my two and a half cents...hope MOTU is listening!

Thanks.

I totally agree with Mr. csiaudio here, my wish would be that DP was more like PT in so many ways, please don't hate me, I'm getting my thing done with DP but maaaaaaan do I miss my PT, DP is so so redundant, I've been digging DP alot, and actually like it a lot in many many ways, but, there are too many weird things, incomplete things, gee I don't know, I like DP but I keep saying and saying (should I go back to PT?) while mixing, snowballs every 5 minutes, uncomfortable tools to draw automation, some of them are so useful but there are so many more missing there... I'm slowly falling in love with DP, but the new PT got me thinking.

have u seen the PT8??? jeez, first thing I though was "It seems that all of our winning and complaints about DP have been read by the PT guys, and totally did something about it and they got it right"

it's amazing, I'm very sorry to say that such a drastic improvement like PT guys have done on PT8 it's what I need to have en DP7, and if it comes next month, the better...

that's my 1 cent comment

[Shooshie]

Looks like the system goes like this:

1. DP users complain and demand features x, y, and z.
2. Digi reads DP users complaints and add x, y, and z to Pro Tools, thinking they'll get the DP fence-sitters in the process.
3. MOTU, finally afraid that PT is going to snatch up their DP users, adds features to DP so that it will be like Pro Tools, only better.
4. DP users finally satisfied after years.

Moral of story: MOTU should just listen to its users and cut out the middleman.

[philbrown]

Looks like the system goes like this:

1. DP users complain and demand features x, y, and z.
2. Digi reads DP users complaints and add x, y, and z to Pro Tools, thinking they'll get the DP fence-sitters in the process.
3. MOTU, finally afraid that PT is going to snatch up their DP users, adds features to DP so that it will be like Pro Tools, only better.
4. DP users finally satisfied after years.

Moral of story: MOTU should just listen to its users and cut out the middleman.

best post of the week

[tommymandel]

Looks like the system goes like this:

1. DP users complain and demand features x, y, and z.
2. Digi reads DP users complaints and add x, y, and z to Pro Tools, thinking they'll get the DP fence-sitters in the process.
3. MOTU, finally afraid that PT is going to snatch up their DP users, adds features to DP so that it will be like Pro Tools, only better.
4. DP users finally satisfied after years.

Moral of story: MOTU should just listen to its users and cut out the middleman.

best post of the week

Agreed +1

[Timeline]

Funny that one!

Will PT 8 allow use of other IO's like RME now? Just curious....

If not they still have their head up their ....

[Radiogal]

My wish list:
1. PLAY MODE: Default Auto Stop stop after last soundbite has being played. Now it´s just running forever... can´t even go to the toilet
2. Auto zoom by draging the ruler.. like it used to be in DP 4. Now one has to press CTR AND drag down pointer on ruler to do that...
3. Ability to auto cross fades when putting 2 soundbites together (like in Wavelab and Samplitude).
4. A visable EDIT LOCK function for soundbites and tracks, so one can see what is done and what is left to fix.
5. Analyzers like geometrics, phase, spectrum meters and a choice of level meters like RMS PPM, VU, Broadcast/Nordic scale and dBfs etc.
6. Waveburner like function! PLEAZE!!!!!! Red Book CD burning with ISRC, EAN/UPC, CD TEXT etc
7. "Logic/Garageband-like" libaries and sounds..
8. Extended and "real" Appleloop compability!
8. Include the Mach 5!!!
9. ONLY One (1) click to play and loop between selected section that doesn´t change when clicking somewhere else with the mouse during playback. FIXED LOOP SELECTION function.
10. Ability to adjust soundbite level like in Wavelab and Samplitude.. That means: just by point and draging down on the soundbite and seeing change in dB.
11. Ability to adjust the mixer size by choice, like the meter bridge is working today.
12. Sequence Editor: Ability to change and move what´s heading the edit functions list in the channel section (left) like Soundbite, Input, Output, Auto, Insert, Take etc. so one doesn´t have to magnify the whole sequence window and tracks just to see or change the TAKE. Quite a lot of work when working with 50 audio tracks!!
13. Cleaner and clearer MIDI screen like in Logic and Cubase arrange windows.
14. Bigger and easier grafics to edit parameters like velocity, CC, program change in the pianorole window. Its all so tiny now!!!
15. "Ez Drummer" just needing ONE channel.. not having to assign an instrument AND MIDI track..
16. FREEZE TRACK into a MONO or STEREO track...not just stereo...
17. A FREEZE TRACK function button (on/off) like in Logic, on every track, not needing another track in the mix... To many mixing channels messes up the view!!
18. compability with OSX 10.3.9 and later
19. A "MOVE ALL TRACKS" or "MOVE TRACK" function for Soundbites without loosing the soundbite position layout. This is the main reason why I use Wavelab when producing preproduced radio shows. It´s real easy and quick.

[David Polich]

Not "unbelievable" . It's as much third-party developers fault as it is with MOTU. Yes, they
obviously didn't check a few major third-party VI's and plugs, like Native Instruments and UAD,
with the first release. Even I would have done that. But in all fairness, how many
plug-in developers admit that they haven't bothered to even check their product with DP6?
Or even DP 5? Treating MOTU customers like unwanted poor relations at Thanksgiving
dinner is getting old by now. Big shout-out to third-party developers - hey, we're users too.
How about giving us the same treatment as your "golden" Digidesign and Logic customer
base?

And then there are developers who will say, well, we didn't have a copy of DP6 until its public release,
which is true as well. MOTU should have seeded development copies of DP6 to every third-party developer
they could think of - no way to know who got pre-release versions of DP6 and who didn't.

Again, I'll go along with Frodo and Shooshie. Please, no more new features. Just address what
isn't working now.

Backwards compatability to pre-Tiger versions of OSX? No, I don't agree with that. If you're using
an OS that is Pre-Tiger, I don't think you can expect compatability with every new product
that comes out now.

[arion]

1. Showing peaks on the time line between -1 and 0 dB.
2. Command to change active layer from soundbite to volume or else.

[Shooshie]

Backwards compatability to pre-Tiger versions of OSX? No, I don't agree with that. If you're using
an OS that is Pre-Tiger, I don't think you can expect compatability with every new product
that comes out now.

+1 to that. Legacy issues are possibly the biggest problems for developers wanting to move ahead with new capabilities in new OS/Hardware. They've got to cut loose the older OS's after a reasonable amount of time. If we're talking about pre-Tiger, that's going back to... what? 2005? Close to four years? A computer's life cycle tends to be about 5 years max. An operating system, about 2 years. Beyond that, and you're on your own.

Shooshie

[Timeline]

I still seek a larger fader with better resolution. At least a notch ...

Update a mix channel to end of cue so if you say put 30 channels in record and drag them up or down and stop the track, you could select "to end" to carry that trim, hard write or mute to end. This could be active on a pull down menu to keep it from being used accidently.

Peak hold user selectivity

A MASTER trim on all faders accept groups and master OP faders so we can trim all mixes from input. This could be a manual DB input function entered.

A narrow transport control option or sliding scale size.

+- buttons back on the top left!!!

Been thinking about this one for a while..... Here is my spec...

Virtual DM from any IO or VI within DP and eliminate buffer shuffle attempts when overdubing with 40 +tracks +multiple VI's when big sessions make it impossible with delays to do fast overdubs due to size of session...

This could be done with a secondary DP MIDI or audio channel instance launched in parallel on Apple OS which would create a no latency monitor buss as if operating as a second, third, fourth etc, mini DP monitor bin just for input. When recording, the data would go down delayed visually and be corrected just as it does now with latency but at least you would hear it without delay. punch ins would playback then cut to this second instance for monitor only. Punch ins would have to be recalculated though.

This DP instance concept would be a very scaled down, low overhead bit of software, independent but parallel channeled back to the original DP created "select ready" audio or VI's automatically and it would never be seen but open and close when monitor input is turned on-off slightly similar to the way latency plug in delay compensation works but in real time. Again, It might rout any IOs or audio or VI instance from a second third etc. VI instance directly through to any input channels of the first instance of DP.

Complicated I know but VERY doable I think.

[taylor12k]

i do bounces from 0 all the time and have never had to insert silence.. just select your range in the tracks window and it bounces the range, regardless of if there's data in it or not...

unless they've taken this out in 6?

i've done it in 4...5.. etc.. for years

9. A bounce from 0 feature, wanna take your tracks elsewhere...automatically analyze sequence/ outputs and bounce all tracks...from 0 no inserting audio at 0 for a zero bounce

[daniel.sneed]

Improve freezing track reliability. It works sometimes, and many times not !

Display, and direct access, to Buffer size in Transport Window.

And, yes, give us the position bar back.

[melenko]

Funny that one!

Will PT 8 allow use of other IO's like RME now? Just curious....

If not they still have their head up their ....

So sorry , but it would be great.