MOTU, Please give us some DP6 GUI options

[Eleventh Hour Sound]

I don't even have 6 yet.

Damn. I was hoping that it meant it would be easy to change certain aspects of the image. I started having fantasies about scanning and using my very own fader knobs based on a famous 4-Track from Abbey Road studios.

Good work Mr. Quimper. What else is one to do while waiting for the product to arrive!?!? I actuallly got a visit from UPS today (a day early). I am just now backing up and preparing my system for the install.

ROCK ON! You're gonna love the Leveler and ProVerb!

[chrispick]

Pretty soon we're gonna make you an offer you can't refuse

Chrispick swims with the chickens.

Are you using DP6?

I am, and to positive results so far.

[Eleventh Hour Sound]

Pretty soon we're gonna make you an offer you can't refuse

Chrispick swims with the chickens.

Are you using DP6?

I am, and to positive results so far.

OK then we'll make you a chicken you can't refuse.

How many tracks are you able view at once in the mixer without having it bog down? Have you tried 48+ or 96+?

[Spikey Horse]

Mr Quimper, that is a very fine mixer. The fader and pan positions really leap out at you (in a good way) without having to hone in on them. All I would add/change is a little photo realism on the actual faders and smooth (DP5 style) metering,not stepped - but keeping the green obviously. The dividing lines really help.

I would actually love to be able to switch (easily and quickly) between:

- very clear even at a distance green metering
- subdued 'late night, long session' blue metering
- metering switched off completely!

Yes I would love to be able to mix with no metering - obviously you need the metering but not all the time IMO and if you take away those dancing lights the visual part of the brain recedes a little more allowing the aural to dominate a little more.

In fact, I often turn off the display to listen to mixes playing in DP and it really helps focus all the brain's resources on the ears ('wiper over waveform watching' is just as distracting as meter watching) ..... perhaps it frees up the brain's visual processing part to allow you to in a sense visualize what you are hearing too .... as opposed to visuallizing what you are seeing - if you see what I mean!

My 2c

[chrispick]

How many tracks are you able view at once in the mixer without having it bog down? Have you tried 48+ or 96+?

No, not that many. So far, fewer than 20 rendered files. I've yet to put it to the stress test.

[Eleventh Hour Sound]

Mr Quimper, that is a very fine mixer. The fader and pan positions really leap out at you (in a good way) without having to hone in on them. All I would add/change is a little photo realism on the actual faders and smooth (DP5 style) metering,not stepped - but keeping the green obviously. The dividing lines really help.

I would actually love to be able to switch (easily and quickly) between:

- very clear even at a distance green metering
- subdued 'late night, long session' blue metering
- metering switched off completely!

Yes I would love to be able to mix with no metering - obviously you need the metering but not all the time IMO and if you take away those dancing lights the visual part of the brain recedes a little more allowing the aural to dominate a little more.

In fact, I often turn off the display to listen to mixes playing in DP and it really helps focus all the brain's resources on the ears ('wiper over waveform watching' is just as distracting as meter watching) ..... perhaps it frees up the brain's visual processing part to allow you to in a sense visualize what you are hearing too .... as opposed to visuallizing what you are seeing - if you see what I mean!

My 2c

Interesting... I wonder if that's why I'm able to hear things in my stereo mixes played in iTunes that I don't hear while I'm playing back in DP

[Eleventh Hour Sound]

How many tracks are you able view at once in the mixer without having it bog down? Have you tried 48+ or 96+?

No, not that many. So far, fewer than 20 rendered files. I've yet to put it to the stress test.

If you have an old project with a bunch of tracks open that bad boy up select all the track for view in the mixer and prepare to trip

[chrispick]

How many tracks are you able view at once in the mixer without having it bog down? Have you tried 48+ or 96+?

No, not that many. So far, fewer than 20 rendered files. I've yet to put it to the stress test.

If you have an old project with a bunch of tracks open that bad boy up select all the track for view in the mixer and prepare to trip

Well, I just threw on two projects, both with around 40-50 audio tracks, auxes included, and they played back fine. Maybe I have a nice ghost in my machine?

[Mr. Quimper]

I don't even have 6 yet.

Damn. I was hoping that it meant it would be easy to change certain aspects of the image. I started having fantasies about scanning and using my very own fader knobs based on a famous 4-Track from Abbey Road studios.

If DP6 leaves it's Images folder exposed as in DP5, then it should be fairly easy to create the previously posted design.


In theory. I've never actually tried that sort of thing, of course.

[Spikey Horse]

.........In fact, I often turn off the display to listen to mixes playing in DP and it really helps focus all the brain's resources on the ears ('wiper over waveform watching' is just as distracting as meter watching) ..... perhaps it frees up the brain's visual processing part to allow you to in a sense visualize what you are hearing too .... as opposed to visuallizing what you are seeing - if you see what I mean!

Interesting... I wonder if that's why I'm able to hear things in my stereo mixes played in iTunes that I don't hear while I'm playing back in DP

RA, just try listening to a project with the mixer (and TO / SE or whatever) all doing their thing ....... then turn off your display, or throw a towel over it, and see what a difference it can make.

I think MOTU should add an 'ears only' button to DP or they could call it a 'switch off the targeting computer and uses the force instead' button ....... although to be fair Luke Skywalker only thought he had blown up the Death Star .... if he had used 'metering' to actually measure how much of the Death Star was left intact - or just waited for the explosion to finish for goodness sake before turning round and flying home to get his get his award and no doubt party the night away ...... but I digress ..... the point is there is a balance to be had.

[monkey man]

LOL. Jeff I get everything you're saying.

thanks .. was feeling like i was in a group of ONE for min there haha

You're not alone, man.

and OH BTW .. i was just kidding .. that IS NOT my actual screen shot
and it IS photoshop and certainly NOT Graphic Converter

Of course. Manipulation of MOTU goodness is impossible.

Hey, I feel bad for the way the guy who designed that mockup was treated here. He put that idea together as sheer talking point and half the regulars here jumped down his throat with claims of heresy and perversion. I was happy to see someone show initiative and put the DP GUI status quo to question. As I remember, he only wanted to discuss hypothetical UI advancements, but got his head bitten off like he'd suggested white instead of light gray.

Me too! I felt terrible for the guy; I remember attempting to remind folks that it might be appropriate to respect the effort the chap put in.
Lots of criticism, but not a single alternative mock-up GUI presented; seemed hypocritical to me.

I often have mixed feelings being associated with this site. Sometimes it gets a little "cosa nostra" around here.

Sadly, this has been the case every now and again.
This year's been a doozie, but hopefully as folks get used to 6 we'll see things return to "normal".

I do like being referred to as "The Colonel" though. Reminds me of "Boogie Nights."

OK... Colonel CrispChick it is.

[bOing]

Let me try to stay on topic while going OT.

If the GUI thing was one or two people griping because they liked griping, then I would agree that there's nothing wrong with DP6's look.

However, there are a lot of us here who are asking even why MOTU themselves changed their GUI from what was presold to our expectations as consumers. Furthermore, some of us make a large part of our living from graphic art. I'm in that group, and I don't consider myself a whiner when I know what conditions provoke eye redness, dryness and irritation. Turning off the power is another way to deal with that, but we're just asking for some of the same consideration that went into the old design to show up in the new one.

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So in closing, I hope MOTU brings a few more organic, vegetable colors into their mixer interface. There is no black and white food that I know of except Zebra meat, and they're far nastier than cows.

And without 3D, to my eyes, the world looks like poop.

[Mr. Quimper]

Made a slightly different version because I could use the photoshop practice.

[Eleventh Hour Sound]

MM: So reading between the lines.... what you're saying is that the new DP GUI is like a big piece of charred red meat laden with Mad Cow disease, that will sit in your colon and rot for years, and the old GUI is like nice, fresh, organic, fruits and vegetables, that make you healthy, wealthy, and wise. +1

[monkey man]

You're a genius, Mr. (or Mrs.) RecordingArts!
Brilliant analogy man. Reminds me of the one Phil O came up with when I was ranting about genetic deterioration last year. He said (I'll paraphrase him), "So what you're saying is that we used to be AIFFs, but now we're MP3s?".
You guys should start the school of analogical excellence, man!

It's one of the few subjects I don't like to get into, because I know what I know by way of much pain, patience and experimentation.
Every dietary myth takes too much time and energy for me to justify tackling in type.
Get me on the phone and it'd be a different story though; I reckon I could talk at 300WPM, but typing? Oh, man. I'm very slow, especially in winter.

Mr. Q, one cannot argue the clarity of your tweaks. Nice job man, honestly.
I don't know if you caught my big dietary rave on the previous page before I deleted it or not, but FWIW, the bottom line is that I'm proud of your effort and was simply pointing out some of the rewards you can expect. No biggie; I didn't want to take up too much room in this here GUI thread.

Again, nice job man. Even the contrasts are almost perfect for long-term use, IMHO, although I'd be tempted to render the white areas slightly grey in order to further reduce glare.