The DP6 Countdown Thread

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:49 am

Timeline wrote:I have to admit for composing DP is better but I'm really tired of not being listened to. PCM, your right on the money here. How would they have even thought up those workflow ideas had it not come from pro users in the studios. I think MOTU is taking there tips not from us but from non studio experienced musicians who don't get how important these things are to us.

You mean such as film composers and the like?
Heavyweights who've not cut their teeth behind a console, eh?
That'd make sense.

I get the feeling though that MagicDave at least has some old-school knowhow here.

Timeline wrote:Back to an idea I have wished for from the SSL days in automation, "Update to end" of a mix. Any hard write or trim or mute can automatically update immediately at a level being written at any moment to the end of a mix.

I asked for this feature and a special button over 8 years ago. Not a word or reply. The features mentioned by PCM are but a few as he said but DP will apparently never have it.

I actually assumed this was how it worked, 'till I tried it.
It would be the logical way to implement it, IMHO.

Hang in there Gary - I reckon we'll get it some day.

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:48 am

Timeline wrote: If Protools would have allowed their software to run on third party IO's, I would have already bought it.

As a die hard DP user I hear you. Work flow on the audio side of PT has always been their strong point. I recently hung out at a studio that was using
PTHD and a D-Command console and I gotta say I was a little envious on how cohesive the console was with the software. I was only there for about 20 minutes but I don't think that the engineer touched the mouse once.
The guy was tweeking plugins like crazy from the console!

This is the kind of stuff that I wish we could do with DP under DAE.
Then to me it would be worth investing in an PTHD system and C/24 but using my 2408mIII with Apogee converters.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:56 am

Well if the plug distribution loads and just some of the workflow issues are solved for multicore macs in the new 6 version I will be pleased but I'm not holding my breath considering MOTU claimed 5.13 was Leopard ready. Maybe so on the previous gen macs.

When I heard they had increased throughput and raised the cpu speeds I was gung ho and bought in. I thought I would maybe not have to reinvest for years. Now, it may be years before I get this mac in gear and god only knows if it will happen this year or next or I'll be the one holding the machine they end up saying, "Oh you have an EARLY '08 mac" too bad.

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:03 pm

Man I hope that's not the case and feel for ya.
Motu will have it worked out soon and hopefully by DP6 like you stated. Otherwise, DP will be taking a major step backwards when it comes to CPU efficiency and that has been a gripe by users since version 4.xx.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:19 pm

Coincidently I just got a call from a composer friend who said in our recent conversation, and I quote, "Apple is not making macs, they are making PC's that run MAC OS". I had to laugh out loud.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:28 pm

Geez, Gary, this is all starting to freak me out a bit.
I did notice as soon as I lifted it that although each Mac I've bought was heavier than the last, this one was the only exception; it was surely lighter.
Still substantial-feeling though.

I look forward to checking in with you to see how your plug tests went, but for now, I'm going to hope it'll be good news in that the Macs will be less to blame.
I don't know how long you waited for that purchase, but I held out 4 years and it simply must not be a lemon; it's unthinkable.
Fingers crossed.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:30 pm

Not quite as long. More like 3 years here.

Cheers

billf · Post by **billf** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:32 pm

monkey man wrote:I did notice as soon as I lifted it that although each Mac I've bought was heavier than the last, this one was the only exception; it was surely lighter.
Still substantial-feeling though.

Well sure my simian friend, but the old G5's sported that water cooled radiator system from 68 mustangs, so no wonder they were so heavy. Ten gallons of anti-freeze and "big ol V8 hemi" those babies had. Heavy too.

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:27 pm

One wonders if anyone at MOTU has pro tool, cuebase, and all the other major programs..

They all should be stealing from each other if you ask me as this kind of "theft" helps us all....

I have been begging for the pro tools feature of apple control click on any effect parameter bringing up that automation data for that exact parameter.

I hate scrolling through 99 DP parameters to find the EQ amount etc....

But no one has changed DP as of yet..come one guys..steal from each other!
Help us all..these aren;t audio cd's ..this is workflow and happiness!..

Mr_Clifford · Post by **Mr_Clifford** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:16 pm

Timeline wrote: Back to an idea I have wished for from the SSL days in automation, "Update to end" of a mix. Any hard write or trim or mute can automatically update immediately at a level being written at any moment to the end of a mix.

Can't you use the snapshot 'from counter to chunk end' function for this?

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:16 pm

toodamnhip wrote:One wonders if anyone at MOTU has pro tool, cuebase, and all the other major programs..

They all should be stealing from each other if you ask me as this kind of "theft" helps us all....

I have been begging for the pro tools feature of apple control click on any effect parameter bringing up that automation data for that exact parameter.

I hate scrolling through 99 DP parameters to find the EQ amount etc....

But no one has changed DP as of yet..come one guys..steal from each other!
Help us all..these aren;t audio cd's ..this is workflow and happiness!..

All software companies borrow ideas from there competitors but to actually steal functions from one DAW to benefit another would be an infringement on the other companies intellectual property.
If that was legal, most programs would look like DP6, run off of a DAE engine using Digi's technology, and be as cpu efficient as Logic Pro.

One thing that I can say about DP is that it is so deep, that at times the things that we say we want function wise are already included in the version we're using. Yes some functions of other DAWS may be convenient and seemingly more efficient but we're using DP for its overall performance right?
What I want is what most of us want, more cpu efficiency!!!

You shouldn't bog down DP with a large project on a new OctoMac that would have run on a quad or even a dual core G5.

This could be a combo issue, Apple and DP, but DP certainly isn't as CPU efficient as Logic Pro. We want DP 6 to al least run as efficient as Logic Pro does.

nk_e · Post by **nk_e** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:38 pm

kwiz wrote:...but DP certainly isn't as CPU efficient as Logic Pro. We want DP 6 to al least run as efficient as Logic Pro does.

+1!

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:11 am

billf wrote:
monkey man wrote:I did notice as soon as I lifted it that although each Mac I've bought was heavier than the last, this one was the only exception; it was surely lighter.
Still substantial-feeling though.
Well sure my simian friend, but the old G5's sported that water cooled radiator system from 68 mustangs, so no wonder they were so heavy. Ten gallons of anti-freeze and "big ol V8 hemi" those babies had. Heavy too.

That was only the 3.0GHz PPC machines, as far as I can remember, Billy.
I've heard it said that the quads also used it but not by a reliable source.

My machine was a 2.0GHz G5, and was among the first macs to feature... 9 fans.

nk_e wrote:
kwiz wrote:...but DP certainly isn't as CPU efficient as Logic Pro. We want DP 6 to al least run as efficient as Logic Pro does.
+1!

We'll know in a week how well it compares.
My money says we're in with a good chance of roughly matching it, and a slightly slimmer chance of beating it.
My gut tells me though that MOTU would be less willing to go as far as Apple would where making qualty sacrifices for performance gains, and ultimately commercial gain, is concerned.
Just MHO.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:24 am

kwiz wrote:
You shouldn't bog down DP with a large project on a new OctoMac that would have run on a quad or even a dual core G5.

Yesterday I have to increase buffers to exactly what I used on my G5 to accomplish the same mix on the octo. No difference or very little.

It's a cryin shame!

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:49 am

Timeline wrote:
kwiz wrote:
You shouldn't bog down DP with a large project on a new OctoMac that would have run on a quad or even a dual core G5.
Yesterday I have to increase buffers to exactly what I used on my G5 to accomplish the same mix on the octo. No difference or very little.

It's a cryin shame!

Yeah that really sucks.
I know you've run Nuendo in the past but have you tried it or any other DAW on your new rig, and if so, what are your results?