The Hobbit Surrenders

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:31 am

I like those TOTO lyrics, Hobby; I recognised them straight away.
Track 9, A Thousand Years, from the Seventh One album with John's son Joseph Williams on vocals, produced by George Massenburg and Bill Payne, no?

Ripper. Always been a huge TOTO fan.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if it was RAM all along?
RAMfro', RAMbro and several other alter egos could be reinvigorated.

zaster · Post by **zaster** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:26 am

The wild dogs cry out in the night
As they grow restless longing for some solitary company
I know that I must do what's right
Sure as Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus above the Serengeti

(sing that 10 times fast!

)

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:33 am

monkey man wrote:
Wouldn't it be a hoot if it was RAM all along?
RAMfro', RAMbro and several other alter egos could be reinvigorated.

RAM - a - lam - a - ding - dong;

Tutti - frutti!

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:09 pm

Everything's gonna be alright boys
Help is on the way
Hold your head up high now
There's no need to cry now
We're not running anymore...

There's so much more at stake here
It's make or break here
Haven't we been here before?

dynamix · Post by **dynamix** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:34 am

Sorry to read this Frodo.

I hope your hiatus involves more than just switching to pencil and paper and perhaps hopefully mojitos and sand between your toes.

It certainly doesn't hurt to do a personal reboot and get the heck away from all these gadgets.

Adding some hard sweat it out physical activity once or twice into your week can be a good thing too. Its a tip I've taken into my life from an interview I'd read with Anatoly Karpov regarding his chess training some years ago. Considering you're a Grand Master of MOTU, it would make perfect sense to take a tip from this Grand Master of Chess.

Hope to see you back in the not too distant future and THANK YOU for all your help!!! You've picked me up when I had fallen on more than one occasion and I really appreciate all you've done!

Good luck in your journey!

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:11 pm

Dynamix-- thanks for your kind words. There are always hurdles, I suppose. This one's just a little taller than most of the rest.

Thanks also for the good advice.

It still feels like summer in ths Shire, so this is a good time to caught up on a whole lot of fresh air, with old friends, and somehow the music is still getting done!

Cheers!
Frodo

SixStringGeek · Post by **SixStringGeek** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:18 pm

Kernel panics sounds like bad RAM - for sure I'd replace the lot and see what you get. I'm not experiencing what you are - but most likely it is either one naughty plugin, or bad hardware. App crashes point to the former - kernel panics the latter.

I hope you find it.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:36 pm

SixStringGeek wrote:Kernel panics sounds like bad RAM - for sure I'd replace the lot and see what you get. I'm not experiencing what you are - but most likely it is either one naughty plugin, or bad hardware. App crashes point to the former - kernel panics the latter.

I hope you find it.

Thanks, SSG.

I've already replaced the RAM, and Memtest came up with clean results- as did Apple Hardware Test-- several times over. There's no saying that these software tests catch everything--- but part of it still points to holes in OSX or firmware.

But-- the only thing left to do is to hand it back to Apple, which will be done soon.

Cheers!

Phil O · Post by **Phil O** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:02 am

There was a time when kernel panics almost certainly pointed to hardware, usually RAM. But as the Mac OS has evolved, we are seeing more and more KPs that are software related. The old rule of thumb no longer applies.

Phil

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:03 am

hey Frodo- I want to thank you for all of the kind support and feedback you have given everyone,sometimes a break gives you a perspective you would not have otherwise.
I suspect a bad MB or something along those lines..................... I might be off base with this ,but it seems to me your problems escalated with Fab4/Play.have you ever tried taking it out of your system ? I am curious if this is related in any way...... playing music without the technology(the immediacy) is nice ,it makes us create in different ways.
Enjoy the non tech serenity for a while and recharge,
I hope you get this all sorted out
KG

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:52 am

kgdrum wrote:hey Frodo- I want to thank you for all of the kind support and feedback you have given everyone,sometimes a break gives you a perspective you would not have otherwise.
I suspect a bad MB or something along those lines..................... I might be off base with this ,but it seems to me your problems escalated with Fab4/Play.have you ever tried taking it out of your system ? I am curious if this is related in any way...... playing music without the technology(the immediacy) is nice ,it makes us create in different ways.
Enjoy the non tech serenity for a while and recharge,
I hope you get this all sorted out
KG

Thanks, KG. You're not short-stopping yourself! From what I've been reading to get around Apple Care thoroughly, it seems that I could expect to be without my MacPro for a month or so.

Yeah-- I'd spent a quite a bit of time with no plugins at all. It was just DP and OSX runnning on built in. I'd even taken out all peripherals.

But I have to also agree with Phil. There's so much going on with OSX as it and things like QT continue to go through considerable tampering (or updates, which ever is the more appropriate term). I've found a few threads on other forums where people started having kernel panics after going to 10.4.10. Some of the stories were downright nightmarish.

But, Fab Four works comparatively well in other DAWs, including Logic. There are little quirks that we know EW has to address, but only DP falls horendously apart with it as it does with some other plugins. I think Fab Four was the one zit on top of everything else. Its flaws were more glaring, but removing it took care of only one set of problems.

This fight ain't over yet!

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:37 am

there is also some posting's on the internet about memory leaks in OSX w/ 8 gig of ram on Macintels ,have you tried using 4 gigs instead?
btw when i had a problem w/ my Mac Applecare sent a tech to my apt,I don't know if this would be their response in your case though.......a month break from all of the tech headaches sounds good to me

KG

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:31 am

Frodo wrote:Everything's gonna be alright boys
Help is on the way
Hold your head up high now
There's no need to cry now
We're not running anymore...

There's so much more at stake here
It's make or break here
Haven't we been here before?

More TOTO. Yay!

Hey Hobby, did you know that TOTO is a critical benchmark for me?
I aim to produce work of at least half that quality.

I figured half a TOTO's still in a different league from what's out there nowadays.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:48 am

Oh, Sir Monkey:

I was a big Toto fan. There was just so much good writing and playing going on with that band to ignore them.

I don't listen to them as often as I used to, but after all this time one of their tunes will follow me around for weeks until I dust off one a particular CD or two.

Their album/cd artwork was always tops-- all the swords, etc.

I wonder what happened to my copy of the Fahrenheit CD?

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:47 am

Frodo,

Writing with pen worked for the masters and it's a brilliant way to get back the soul of why you are here.

Change out that machine in your spare time and keep crankin out the parts.

Cheers,
G