Mach Five version 2 Sit In

[BKK-OZ]

That's quite an eloquent rebuttal. If you're taking the time to respond to the dire state of Machfive's user morale, you could at least address the concerns expressed here.

be nice mr outoftune, I think you are getting a tad strident there.

JS doesn't have to address your concerns, he is just the super-nice chappy who hosts this board, mostly from his own pocket, and AFAIK, that entitles him to have an opinion, including those expressed in one word.

I would argue MOTU don't have to address your concerns either, I mean, so what, they made a promise they didn't keep - let he who is without sin in this regard cast the first stone!

I own M5 and would love to see a new version come out too, but you know what, not having it here is not really causing me any concern, I take council from FZ, who once said "just shut up and play yer guitar".

If MOTU never release M5v2, the world will still be filled with music.

I hope you get back to making music soon too.

[James Steele]

Okay... sorry... I'm a little cranky today. It's always fun getting dressed down by board users... fun stuff.

The reason for the one word response is that I think it's appropriate. Yes, MachFive v. 2. Bummer. I understand. Did MOTU *intend* to get everybody upset and riled up and have an upgrade so late? Doubtful. Should they let us know what's going on? Dunno. From our point of view, certainly. From their point of view... well... I don't know what they know.

What makes me upset are all the folks squawking about MOTU going under and their "eventual demise." It's almost like many of these people WANT them to or something. I don't get it. Yeah... right... they're late. Yeah, it sucks. But last time I checked, despite its flaws, DP is a pretty kick ass sequencer and they make some good hardware for the dough and my MOTU system is running good and making me some coin since I quietly hung out my shingle and took some corporate video business recently.

I just personally am very weary... weary bordering on irritable... of all the grousing and dire predictions of impending financial disaster for MOTU based on nothing even remotely convincing.

[monkey man]

I believe "modern" man has become addicted to excitement.
"Disaster" plays an important role in this department.
"What's the next disaster going to be?"
It usually involves the destruction of order (information), often including life.
MOTU's folding would be a disaster.
Monkey logic.

Go Machy! K2 killer
Go Machy! K2 killer, dammit!
Go Machy! K2 killer
Go Machy! K2 killer, dammit!

[edham]

I've been investigating Kontakt, looking at their forum, etc, and was quite impressed. When users complain about things, actual company representatives respond! They're actually engaged, listening and reacting to the users.

You should have looked in that forum a few months ago. NI was missing in action in there own kontakt forum for over a year. The user base was freegin screaming at them with zero replies.
The ruckus got them to finally address the massive K2 bugs and to finally have an intern monitor and post in the forum.

I wouldn't count on NI paying attention to K2 much past the intel version and that could be a bumpy ride.

[3over3]

Alright. Let's stop being silly. For goodness sake let's say what we mean. And stop speculating 'n' stuff.

Here goes:

1. We wish Mach5 2 was out.
2. We wish we knew why it wasn't.
3. Crikey! Anything could happen.

... er, I think that just about covers it.

Right, I think the Principal's just broken up the sit in. As I said, this will all go on your permanent records.

Sorry for the mess.
Goodnight.

[KarlSutton]

I apologize I have not read this entire thread - does anybody think we'll at least get to keep using Mach5 on intel machines? The current features are sufficient for me but not if I can't use it when I upgrade to a new mac.

[Frodo]

I apologize I have not read this entire thread - does anybody think we'll at least get to keep using Mach5 on intel machines? The current features are sufficient for me but not if I can't use it when I upgrade to a new mac.

I think that is a legit question. MSI, Ethno, and MX4 have made it to full UB, but not M5. I'd even be happy if v1.x went UB whether v2 was released or not.

The Intel issue does play into the bigger picture. If a user has made M5 part of their essential arsenal, then it does play into one's decision as to when to buy a new machine.

Someone on another thread mentioned that the reason for the slow depreciation of the latter model PPCs was due to the fact that apps like Photoshop have yet to go UB, although they have been promised.

Granted, Photoshop in the bigger picture may involve a different sort of impact than MachFive, but the principal is the same for those who rely on and believe in MachFive. For the same reasons, it is much easier to swap out a plugin than it is to swap out an entire app.

Since it was M5v2 that promised UB support, it brings the question (and sit-in) full circle. Beyond expanded features of v2 on current machines, delayed support for Intels can mean delayed purchase of Intels for some users. Purchasing an Intel witihout a compatible version of M5 will translate into the process of converting one's MachFive library to another format-- and the additional purchase of another compatible universal sampler.

Kontakt is on my list of things to get-- has been for a while. I just happened to get M5 first. If my need for an Intel becomes urgent before M5v2 is released, I will not hesitate to get Kontakt for the sake of remaining productive. It's a pain, but as long as I'm making a living I can't afford to allow any software to interfere. Such investments tend to pay for themselves in short order.

[ManOtunes]

You know what? You're exactly right Steele. The truth is, I made a mistake assuming that you were somehow involved with MOTU. If you're just workin the forum, then you obviously have no responsibility for the huge delay in releasing m5v2, and I appreciate the work yer doin.
As for the demise of motu, i haven't the slightest idea about that. People who talk about it might know something, but i certainly don't claim to.

When music making is one of the main reasons for living however, and a musician has become dependant on vital tools, then i don't think it's hyperbolic to talk about user morale.

Simply put, I took motu at their word, invested huge amounts of time programming machfive, bought a mac pro. Because i put all my eggs in the machfive basket, my music making is essentially crippled until i can utilize the hundreds of presets i prepared.

Kontakt isn't UB compatible yet either, so that's annoying. But i was heartened to see that they're claiming it should be available in a matter of weeks, and if they anticipate a delay, they talk about it.
The truth is, as soon as i find a softsampler that works with intel and loads machfive presets, i'll largely disappear from these forums.

When you get so irritated at the posts here, i personally think you need to understand something fundamental about these things.... namely, that most of the time, happy users will be busy making music, and frustrated people will be voicing their annoyance on these forums.

It's just like local news. The guy who had sex with the girl he's always liked doesn't make the news. If someone gets stabbed though, you're gonna hear about it.

[James Steele]

I don't get irritated at the posts by and large... just the implication that MOTU is going under, etc.

Just as a possible solution, if you get a Intel-based machine, could you perhaps use the PPC machine it replaced as a stand-alone MachFive machine somehow... at least to tide you over? Seems like this might work... it might involve some extra expense to rig this up, but might at least keep you in business with your MachFive presets.

[papageno]

I've been investigating Kontakt, looking at their forum, etc, and was quite impressed. When users complain about things, actual company representatives respond! They're actually engaged, listening and reacting to the users. As with most software companies, they appear to have their own problems meeting deadlines, but at least they pay attention and communicate.

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... 881&page=3
NI staff doesnt respond. Kontakt 2 UB release schedule was changed the 3rd time (or 4th, who remembers?) and the schedule was changed at the very last day. No response from NI. Black hole.
They do not respect their Mac cusromers.

[Spikey Horse]

........ Kontakt 2 UB release schedule was changed the 3rd time (or 4th, who remembers?) and the schedule was changed at the very last day. No response from NI. Black hole.
They do not respect their Mac cusromers.

Well, it looks like NI are soon to be no more* along with MOTU* ....

There's only one way to be safe

*this is not really true

[thracks]

Jeez, it seems like yesterday MOTU was going under because they had not released an OSX version of DP. It kinda makes me nostalgic for the good old days.

[iMAS]

So....how 'bout that nanosampler ?!?!?

[Frodo]

So....how 'bout that nanosampler ?!?!?

Hmm. If I could get 70 instances of it running smoothly on one machine, it might come in handy!

[iMAS]

So....how 'bout that nanosampler ?!?!?

Hmm. If I could get 70 instances of it running smoothly on one machine, it might come in handy!

Ha, not to mention handling 140 channels in the mixer !! That would be fun wouldn't it ? It's like playing "where's Waldo"..."gosh darn it, where is that channel with the triangle ?"