DP8 or Final Cut ProX

stephentayler · Post by **stephentayler** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:08 am

I must admit that the learning curve was quite steep with FCPX, completely different to FCP 7. The way the timeline works bears little relation to the old way, but once I got used to it I like it a lot. I still do use FCP7 for a couple of things that the X version doesn't do.

For my visuals I tend to use many layers - varying opacity, keying, dissolves etc, rather like mixing, and what is impressive is how quickly everything is rendered.

At first I had some problems with placing clips in a specific spot in the timeline, but once you get used to how that works it makes sense.

The thing that threw me initially was the workflow. All I can say is I recommend taking the time to read the manual and do some tutorials., well worth it!

SWT

FutureLegends · Post by **FutureLegends** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:31 am

FCPX is my favourite application of all atime, all categories. It's just such a joy to use. Brilliant. New version coming out anytime though and since Apple don't do upgrade prices, it might be an idea to use iMovie for now and then grab the new FCPX in december...

mikehalloran · Post by **mikehalloran** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:04 am

James Steele wrote:
EAP-Entertainment wrote:yes there's a PDF for FCPro X, I just went on yahoo & typed in final cut pro x pdf manual....
Cool. I'm figuring when I bought it, the installer must have placed one somewhere on my drive. Thing is, I MUST print manuals to actually learn a new app. I can't be going back and forth between the app and the PDF viewer. Of course I also have an iPad and I guess that's another way to go.

Isn't that what second monitors are for?

Yea... I prefer a printed manual, too.

There's an exception. I ordered the print manual to Finale once (2004 maybe?) It was printed 4 pages to a side on 8.5" x 11" and was still an inch thick. I needed a magnifier to look at it. What a waste of a ream of paper.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:23 am

I took a look at the FC PDF and once I saw how many pages is have to print I decided against it. A $10 used book from Amazon in the subject is a better choice IMO or as stated above, the second monitor.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:28 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I took a look at the FC PDF and once I saw how many pages is have to print I decided against it. A $10 used book from Amazon in the subject is a better choice IMO or as stated above, the second monitor.

Yeah... I imagine it's hefty. I have a laser printer which isn't as expensive to print something big like that, but it's dodgy when you try to print double-sided. You have to print even pages first, put them back in the printer the right way and print odd pages. Heaven help you if a couple of pages stick together during the second run through.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:31 am

mikehalloran wrote:
James Steele wrote:
EAP-Entertainment wrote:yes there's a PDF for FCPro X, I just went on yahoo & typed in final cut pro x pdf manual....
Cool. I'm figuring when I bought it, the installer must have placed one somewhere on my drive. Thing is, I MUST print manuals to actually learn a new app. I can't be going back and forth between the app and the PDF viewer. Of course I also have an iPad and I guess that's another way to go.
Isn't that what second monitors are for?

Unless you really want to have that second monitor as part of your workspace for how you'd realistically use the app you're trying to learn. One of the reasons (besides its general "obtuseness") that I never learned Logic 8 (Express) is having to follow in a PDF. I don't like reading manuals off a computer screen. I find it fatiguing. Also, I like to sort of sit in bed and peruse a manual and sort of skim around digesting various concepts while not sitting in front of a computer. iPad will probably work nicely for that.

sdfalk · Post by **sdfalk** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:14 pm

I've used it since the beginning since everyone made little sad faces..
I got used to it fairly fast (for an old fart like me) and the every increased functionality
hasn't made me regret dumping FCP7 (and by dumping I mean not using..still exists on
my hard disk) for an instant.

Killahurts · Post by **Killahurts** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:13 pm

Well as long as we're here, Larry Jordan's video tutorials on FCP X, both the workflow and FX classes, are well worth the (reasonable) money I paid for them. Larry is fun and easy to watch, and without these videos, I would still be struggling with FCP X. I wish he would do an (advanced) DP tutorial series..

http://www.larryjordan.biz

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:24 pm

What are general opinions on Adobe Premiere? I've heard it's picking up steam. I actually bought Adobe Premiere Elements, but haven't messed with it much.

FutureLegends · Post by **FutureLegends** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:05 pm

Adobe Premier seems to be well regarded by those that like old fashioned NLEs and are unable or unwilling to learn the new, much more elegant ways of FCPX.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:31 pm

FutureLegends wrote:Adobe Premier seems to be well regarded by those that like old fashioned NLEs and are unable or unwilling to learn the new, much more elegant ways of FCPX.

Well that's about as backhanded an acknowledgment of Premiere as I've ever seen! LOL Maybe it's easier for some of us to just use something that works the way we're accustomed to in order to get something done, rather than learn our way around a new paradigm just for a short project.

sdfalk · Post by **sdfalk** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:51 pm

James Steele wrote:
FutureLegends wrote:Adobe Premier seems to be well regarded by those that like old fashioned NLEs and are unable or unwilling to learn the new, much more elegant ways of FCPX.
Well that's about as backhanded an acknowledgment of Premiere as I've ever seen! LOL Maybe it's easier for some of us to just use something that works the way we're accustomed to in order to get something done, rather than learn our way around a new paradigm just for a short project.

I may use Final Cut X these days about the Adobe Premiere way of doing things is perfectly fine.
Stable, good Video FX/processing, CPU efficient.
Worth having, especially give the light versions price point

BKK-OZ · Post by **BKK-OZ** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:51 pm

It's not so much Premier that peeps like, it is After Effects, which is what most compositors/visual artists use, and depending on bundles, etc., you get Premier with it.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:00 am

BKK-OZ wrote:It's not so much Premier that peeps like, it is After Effects, which is what most compositors/visual artists use, and depending on bundles, etc., you get Premier with it.

I have FCP-X and Premier Elements. I have modest needs. I'm sort of at the beginning of the learning curve on both apps, so I could choose either path at this point.

Kurt Cowling · Post by **Kurt Cowling** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:25 pm

I switched to Premiere because FCP-X is so convoluted when it comes to collaborating on projects. If two people have the same footage all you have to do is send the project file back and forth with Premiere (just like it was with FCP7). With FCP-X it's waaay more complicated.

--Kurt

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