Seperation of music and lyrics for remixing purposes.

[Greeneye]

Does anyone know of a plugin in DP4 or elsewhere that can seperate the lyrics from the music or vice versa. I'm trying to do remixes of old school and new school music tracks.

RD

[kwiz]

To put it simply no. Depending on how dense the musical content is, you might be able to partially pull out a vocal with a combination of subtractive eq'ing and high pass filtering, but you'll never get a completely clean "accappella" vocal that way.

[draudio2u]

There is a way, actually two...

1. there is a company somewhere in the south - Atlanta I think that makes a box that will strip away vocals from a STEREO recording. This will not work for a mono recording. Unfortunately I do not have the name on me but if you do a search you should be able to find them. I heard their demo CD and was very impressed.

2. There is a phase technique you may have success with, but is questionable - it kind of goes like this
- send the program through a asymith correction and then reverse phase on it - pan to center and remix it back in with the original program. It is tricky and doesn't work as well as the box unit mentioned above. They use a similar technique but have perfected it over years of development.

good luck

[Splinter]

It is a combination of A-B and filtering, but you'll never eliminate it and you'll take some of the instrumentation with it. Good luck!

[wonder]

there is no way of doing it without altering the other audio.

the only way is to mix in stems.....do a search in this forum for a topic called "anyone one doing this?" ... or something like that.
Stems are discussed.

[kwiz]

Originally posted by draudio2u:
There is a way, actually two...

1. there is a company somewhere in the south - Atlanta I think that makes a box that will strip away vocals from a STEREO recording. This will not work for a mono recording. Unfortunately I do not have the name on me but if you do a search you should be able to find them. I heard their demo CD and was very impressed.

good luck

Yeah I'd like to hear that.
There used to be a box called the Thompson vocal Remover that claimed to be able to remove a vocal from a recording, but it never really sounded good to me.

[Splinter]

Until we have true artificial intelligence that can differentiate between a human voice and the rest of the audio and can remove every fundamental and harmonic frequency created by the voice, this will be impossible to do.

[Jim]

You can try putting the Trim Plug on a stereo mix, and invert one of the channels. If the vox are mixed center with no stereo effects, that might eliminate them.

[wonder]

if you want quality music, think of how this feat would be done. Technically, realistically its impossible without effecting the other parts of the music.

its like taking the egg out without damaging the shell....

[Resonant Alien]

Alesis makes a unit that does this. See this link http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=51

I think its about $100 or so.

[studiostuff]

The best is to track down the multi-track masters or same-session instrumental mixes from the original recording...

Of course, that would require a certain amount of cooperation from the original artists...

But if there's going to be a co-publishing deal on a new record, folks seem more interested in finding and dubbing the old master tapes.

Never hurts to ask them for exactly what you want!!

[chrispick]

Originally posted by Jim:
You can try putting the Trim Plug on a stereo mix, and invert one of the channels. If the vox are mixed center with no stereo effects, that might eliminate them.

This is the karaoke trick, right?

You analyze left and right channels, then cancel out frequencies that share the exact same dB within a given EQ range. Since many times upfront vocals and bass run down the middle, and most of the bass signal is below the given EQ range, the upfront vocals are minimized.

It's certainly not a clean, discrete extraction, that's for sure. Like others have said, you need to go back to the original mix stems if you want that.