Trilogy

chamelion · Post by **chamelion** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:35 pm

I'd be interested to know if anyone else finds Trilogy's basses to be overall a bit heavy on the bottom end, and what kind of eq settings you use to manage it.

I've found Para EQ's Whole Bass Goodness setting to be a good all-purpose bass eq starting point, especially for material that's going to end up on radio and small speakers. But with Trilogy I find most of the Trilogy basses to still sound a bit bottomy and I'd like to hear if other users feel the same way. My ears are telling me that it's not quite right, but I'm not sure which frequency band is the culprit. Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Geoff

Joseph Hanna · Post by **Joseph Hanna** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:24 pm

No question.

I've always found Trilogy to be overly agressive and difficult to make sit comfortable in a mix. I've tried all sorts of low end roll-off eq's and have never been totally satisfied.

Sorry....haven't hit upon a solution as of yet

JH

hearttimes · Post by **hearttimes** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:25 pm

definitely. i use the acoustic upright alot and it has a ton of lows. i use a shelf most times, adjusted to clear the kick if any. the trilogy was designed with little eq and no compression. they wanted to leave it up to the user.

i still think it's the best bass software, and it says something that they've never needed to add any new features. i've had it since it came out and still haven't gotten into half of it. i was using the r&b muted electric today.

try filtering below 60 Hz.

Spiderfinger · Post by **Spiderfinger** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:35 am

Download Tritone Digital's Phasetone. It's free and will solve your Trilogy boominess problems. Phasetone works by phase cancelling a selected freqency range with variable depth and bandwidth. Very effective. Trilogy's mud tends to be between 50 an 70hz.

My only gripe with Trilogy is that the fingered electric basses aren't nearly plucky enough, which is why the Scarabee J-Slap and Fingered basses are on the way.

philbrown · Post by **philbrown** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:57 am

Spiderfinger wrote:
My only gripe with Trilogy is that the fingered electric basses aren't nearly plucky enough, which is why the Scarabee J-Slap and Fingered basses are on the way.

That's funny, that's exactly what I like about Trilogy. One's guy's "plucky" is another guy's "doinky".

I do think Trilogy basses are hyped in the low end because Stylus loops are very similar - I have to roll off low end consistently on both. Eric just got to shake yer booty I guess. I don't find the filtering to be very useful in Trilogy and would have traded that for a workable onboard EQ so this wouldn't require 2 plugs. Other than that Trilogy is wonderful IMO.

All this in DP of course (back on topic).

Phil

RCory · Post by **RCory** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:18 pm

I find them a bit boomy also...

I have managed it with rolling off<100hz and volume...

There is an art in getting great bass sounds in a mix...

chamelion · Post by **chamelion** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:03 am

Thanks Spiderfinger.

Phasetone is just the right tool for the job. It suddenly makes Trilogy much more useable for me. I'm interested to see what it does to vocals. Great tip!

Cheers,

Geoff

MarkH · Post by **MarkH** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:15 am

philbrown wrote:That's funny, that's exactly what I like about Trilogy. One's guy's "plucky" is another guy's "doinky".

Phil

Oh my! That made me laugh for 5 minutes straight. Reminds me of the time people were talking about how much they dislike dongles and someone randomly busts out with "Which way does your dongle dangle?".

daveyboy · Post by **daveyboy** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:36 pm

Put on the masterworks eq and turn on the frequency analyzer to see what the offending frequency is. I think this plug does have a ton of low end but for me it's better to have a tad too much than not enough. I usually use the old school 4 string for the E bass because the others are waaayyy bassy. Great plug though. Love all their stuff.

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:42 pm

I had this exact situation come up mixing my band's album - two of the tracks use basses from Trilogy. I used Waves Renaissance Compressor, modified the "electric bass" preset and that solved the boominess for me. Also for the mastering engineer, she loved the way the basses sat in the mixes.

chamelion · Post by **chamelion** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:04 am

Thanks everyone. Much appreciated.

Cheers,

Geoff