10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

For seeking technical help with Digital Performer and/or plug-ins on MacOS.

Moderator: James Steele

Forum rules
This forum is for seeking solutions to technical problems involving Digital Performer and/or plug-ins on MacOS, as well as feature requests, criticisms, comparison to other DAWs.
Post Reply
User avatar
ghobish
Posts: 630
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by ghobish »

I'll do some backtracking and find out when this started, but has anyone else noticed that under OSX 10.8.3 in DP 8.0.4, that if you move a Radikal SAC 2.2 fader all the way up to the top, the corresponding fader in DP drops to ∞ ?
Gary Hobish
A. Hammer Mastering & Digital Media
San Francisco, Ca
http://ahammer.com/mastering

Mastering: Mac Studio M1 MAX 2TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 32-core GPU, OS 12.6; DP 11.22, Waves, Izotope RX10 Advanced, Alloy, Nectar, PSP stuff, Plug-In Alliance, Metric Halo ULN-8 MkIV, Euphonix MC Control & MC Mix, Presonus Central Station, and (still) no air conditioning (but at least now there is airflow)

Annex: Mac Pro 2010 5,1 3.33GHz 12-core, 80GB RAM, 10.14.6, DP 11.22, Metric Halo ULN8 MkIV, MOTU 2408III
User avatar
ghobish
Posts: 630
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: 10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by ghobish »

Further research indicates that this problem only shows up when starting DP in 64-bit mode, was present at least as far back as 8.01 and is independent of the OS.
Gary Hobish
A. Hammer Mastering & Digital Media
San Francisco, Ca
http://ahammer.com/mastering

Mastering: Mac Studio M1 MAX 2TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 32-core GPU, OS 12.6; DP 11.22, Waves, Izotope RX10 Advanced, Alloy, Nectar, PSP stuff, Plug-In Alliance, Metric Halo ULN-8 MkIV, Euphonix MC Control & MC Mix, Presonus Central Station, and (still) no air conditioning (but at least now there is airflow)

Annex: Mac Pro 2010 5,1 3.33GHz 12-core, 80GB RAM, 10.14.6, DP 11.22, Metric Halo ULN8 MkIV, MOTU 2408III
User avatar
dbender
Posts: 321
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:10 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Francisco

Re: 10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by dbender »

Gary,

so are you saying that with DP 8 in 64 bit, when you move a Radikal SAC fader all the way up, the DP fader on screen acts inverted and goes all the way down? Are you saying the Radikal fader moves are inverted on DP? Is this the only problem (by itself, a pretty major one if I understand the problem you're describing correctly)?

Do you think we need the Radical control surface bundle updated to work in DP 8 in 64 bit? As you may know from the main forum, someone contacted the programmer for the AlphaTrack control surface and he created a new control surface bundle for it a few weeks ago (and is selling it for $50). Do you think we, as fellow Radikal SAC-2K owners, should see if this programmer or some other programmer can write a new control surface bundle to get the Radikal SAC-2K working properly in DP 8 64 bit mode?

Thanks,
David
iMac 3.0 GHz, 8 GHz ram, OS 10.6.4, MOTU 828 Mk II, MOTU MIDI Express-XT (x2), KRK Rokit 6's, Novation Remote Zero SL, Radikal SAC-2k, Triton rack maxed out, Matrix 1000, Handsonic HPD-15 drum pads, tons 'o VI's.....
User avatar
ghobish
Posts: 630
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: 10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by ghobish »

dbender wrote:Gary,

so are you saying that with DP 8 in 64 bit, when you move a Radikal SAC fader all the way up, the DP fader on screen acts inverted and goes all the way down? Are you saying the Radikal fader moves are inverted on DP? Is this the only problem (by itself, a pretty major one if I understand the problem you're describing correctly)?

Do you think we need the Radical control surface bundle updated to work in DP 8 in 64 bit? As you may know from the main forum, someone contacted the programmer for the AlphaTrack control surface and he created a new control surface bundle for it a few weeks ago (and is selling it for $50). Do you think we, as fellow Radikal SAC-2K owners, should see if this programmer or some other programmer can write a new control surface bundle to get the Radikal SAC-2K working properly in DP 8 64 bit mode?

Thanks,
David



In 64-bit, when you move a SAC fader to the very top, it causes the corresponding fader in DP 8 to go down to the bottom, taking the audio with it. My guess it that it has more to do with the SAC driver than the DP file, since that was my answer when I filed a DP trouble ticket.

Since I don't do VI's, for the moment I am staying in 32bit mode. I'm not holding my breath for an update from RADIKAL since they haven't supported the product for years. I would gladly pay $50 for an updated driver from RADIKAL that restore USB functionality as well as 64 bit operation.
Gary Hobish
A. Hammer Mastering & Digital Media
San Francisco, Ca
http://ahammer.com/mastering

Mastering: Mac Studio M1 MAX 2TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 32-core GPU, OS 12.6; DP 11.22, Waves, Izotope RX10 Advanced, Alloy, Nectar, PSP stuff, Plug-In Alliance, Metric Halo ULN-8 MkIV, Euphonix MC Control & MC Mix, Presonus Central Station, and (still) no air conditioning (but at least now there is airflow)

Annex: Mac Pro 2010 5,1 3.33GHz 12-core, 80GB RAM, 10.14.6, DP 11.22, Metric Halo ULN8 MkIV, MOTU 2408III
User avatar
dbender
Posts: 321
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:10 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Francisco

Re: 10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by dbender »

Thanks, Gary. Same here. I'm thinking maybe the programmer who did the AlphaTrack control surface bundle update might be able to do this too for our Radical SAC's. I think I might ask how to contact him in that other thread about the AlphaTrack control surface bundle update which just got done and released for $50.

On a related note, I noticed when I last had the SAC hooked up that a couple of the faders started getting a bit sticky, and wouldn't follow DP well. I've tried compressed air but that didn't help. They were totally smooth at first but a couple did get a bit sticky.

Do you ever get that problem with the SAC faders and how do you fix or deal with it?
iMac 3.0 GHz, 8 GHz ram, OS 10.6.4, MOTU 828 Mk II, MOTU MIDI Express-XT (x2), KRK Rokit 6's, Novation Remote Zero SL, Radikal SAC-2k, Triton rack maxed out, Matrix 1000, Handsonic HPD-15 drum pads, tons 'o VI's.....
User avatar
billf
Posts: 3662
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Home

Re: 10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by billf »

dbender wrote:Do you think we, as fellow Radikal SAC-2K owners, should see if this programmer or some other programmer can write a new control surface bundle to get the Radikal SAC-2K working properly in DP 8 64 bit mode?
Add me to the list. I would happily pay for the SAC-2K to be fixed.
MacPro5,1 2012, six core 2 x 3.06, 10.12.5, Digital Performer 9.13, 40 gb ram, 828mkIII, 2408 mkII, MTP AV, Logic Pro X 10.3.1, Studio One v 3.2, Pro Tools 12.7.1
User avatar
corbo-billy
Posts: 1043
Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:33 am
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: France

Re: 10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by corbo-billy »

+ 1 _
Imac M4 24" under Sequoia 15.3.1 & Kontakt 8.2. _ Fireface800 X 2 _ FilterBank2 Sherman & Gibson Explorer Pro _ Virus C Desktop _ Adrenalinn III & Voyager Moog _ SpeakerPhone 2 _ PolyEvolver Keyboard _ Tempest _ D.P. 11.34 _
User avatar
ghobish
Posts: 630
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: 10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by ghobish »

dbender wrote:On a related note, I noticed when I last had the SAC hooked up that a couple of the faders started getting a bit sticky, and wouldn't follow DP well. I've tried compressed air but that didn't help. They were totally smooth at first but a couple did get a bit sticky.

Do you ever get that problem with the SAC faders and how do you fix or deal with it?



My fader #1 has always had this problem (bought the unit used). I feel that cleaning these kinds of faders with any kind of solvent only makes things worse long term; so I'm the lookout for replacement faders.
Gary Hobish
A. Hammer Mastering & Digital Media
San Francisco, Ca
http://ahammer.com/mastering

Mastering: Mac Studio M1 MAX 2TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 32-core GPU, OS 12.6; DP 11.22, Waves, Izotope RX10 Advanced, Alloy, Nectar, PSP stuff, Plug-In Alliance, Metric Halo ULN-8 MkIV, Euphonix MC Control & MC Mix, Presonus Central Station, and (still) no air conditioning (but at least now there is airflow)

Annex: Mac Pro 2010 5,1 3.33GHz 12-core, 80GB RAM, 10.14.6, DP 11.22, Metric Halo ULN8 MkIV, MOTU 2408III
User avatar
ghobish
Posts: 630
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: 10.8.3 or DP 8.04... which broke the Radikal SAC?

Post by ghobish »

dbender wrote:Do you think we, as fellow Radikal SAC-2K owners, should see if this programmer or some other programmer can write a new control surface bundle to get the Radikal SAC-2K working properly in DP 8 64 bit mode?



Can't hurt to ask!
Gary Hobish
A. Hammer Mastering & Digital Media
San Francisco, Ca
http://ahammer.com/mastering

Mastering: Mac Studio M1 MAX 2TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 32-core GPU, OS 12.6; DP 11.22, Waves, Izotope RX10 Advanced, Alloy, Nectar, PSP stuff, Plug-In Alliance, Metric Halo ULN-8 MkIV, Euphonix MC Control & MC Mix, Presonus Central Station, and (still) no air conditioning (but at least now there is airflow)

Annex: Mac Pro 2010 5,1 3.33GHz 12-core, 80GB RAM, 10.14.6, DP 11.22, Metric Halo ULN8 MkIV, MOTU 2408III
Post Reply