VE Pro 5 fixes AU MIDI limitations (apparently)

[Marc7777]

Hello all,

I'm excited about this and I feel that I should tell you guys about it, just in case you're not aware. (and no, i'm not some paid rep for VEP ... i wish though haha)

So Vienna Ensemble Pro has the whole MIDI AND Audio over LAN and it works flawlessly with DP (after a few updates... 7.24 fixes bundles mess) Although, the MAIN issues with the server is that you can only send 16 MIDI channels PER instance due to the nature of AU Plugins. which sucks because you have to make tons of instances.. thus bogging down your computer, increasing load times, etc.

WELL.... with the NEW version of VE Pro 5, they have apparently fixed this limitation and made a type of "work around" Meaning in ONE instance you can now have 16x16 MIDI channels... ahhh the simplicity...

It's not out yet.. they're still BETA testing it.. but for me anyways, this is going to revolutionize my entire workflow.

Anyways, VSL has their own forums, if you didn't know already, so you can find more details there..

Just thought I'd share

Cheers!

[studio_651]

awesome news! i've been looking into VE Pro recently - i've been struggling with latency issues with the 64 bit version of bidule because rewire is limited to 8 rewire MIDI channels (x16). you can of course get around it via virtual MIDI channels (e.g. "bidule 1"), but only the 8 rewire MIDI channels are actually automatically latency-compensated through DP. my orchestral template has more than 8 instances of kontakt, so i've been looking at VE Pro as a way to add more instances but still have all instruments be latency-compensated. i think this next version will probably tip the scales and make me buy it.

[p.pan]

Hi,

Sorry for my intervention on this thead.
I am very interess about VE Pro.

My configuration:
*G5 with DP 4.61.
*Macpro VIs (SD2, Komplete 7, Omnisphere) with mainstage.
I use a Vdrum Roland TD9 and my buffer on the Macpro is 32.
(minimum I can have with my TC 24D and the best for the drummer to be able to play with SD2).

Can Vepro handle a Buffer 32 or less on the slave??

Thanks

[Marc7777]

so i've been looking at VE Pro as a way to add more instances but still have all instruments be latency-compensated.

Yea I'm in the same boat! Not only is it latency compensated (VEP Server only) but it also will make use of your other cores. When an app is rewired with DP they share the same core, thus sometimes leading to CPU spikes. But if you have a "Local" server of VEP it's considered a separate app.

Can Vepro handle a Buffer 32 or less on the slave??

I'm not 100% sure. Maybe ask on the Vienna Forums.. However, I know that you can't set a buffer size on the VEP Server. My guess is that it sets it to whatever your host DAW is set to. Either that or it sets to whatever your sound card is at, but I'm not sure because it technically doesn't use a sound card..

When you have an instance of VEP Server (plugin) in DP, you can set the buffer to 0, 1, or 2. You should try setting it to 0 and see how it feels.

...Worse case, you can download the Demo, and if it doesn't work... well then... no harm done

[Frodo]

@p.pan

VE Pro requires OSX 10.5.7 or later. There is an earlier version for 10.4, but if you're using more than one computer you'll need to run the same version of VE Pro on all of them.

[p.pan]

Thanks a lot.

32 buffer is the only way to be able to play the Edrum (TD9) trough SDrummer without feeling the latency when the drummer play.

If I understand in configuration with two computers Master, Slave.
1. Is not possible to have different buffer on the two computers.
2. The buffer size depends on the Audio Interface of the master.

For exemple with an PCIe 424 motu on the master I can handle 32 buffer.

Let me know if I am right.

And thanks again.

[Frodo]

If I understand in configuration with two computers Master, Slave.
1. Is not possible to have different buffer on the two computers.
2. The buffer size depends on the Audio Interface of the master.

I'll have to look into that to fully confirm. My second computer is being rented at the moment. Maybe someone else will have a more definitive answer before I can find one, but an e-mail to VSL generally tends to result in a fairly rapid response, like within a day or so.

However, I had a fairly large VI setup on my second computer and don't recall having to match the buffer settings on both machines. They may have been matched only by coincidence, but I just can't confirm it at the moment.

But there are different types of buffers. I don't remember having to change DP's buffer settings on my master machine, but I do remember having to tweak the various buffers within each VI. Sometimes they are called "buffers". Sometimes they are called "streaming engine levels", but tweaking preferences with each VI was more critical in my case.

Generally speaking, I run very modest buffer settings in DP to keep MIDI latency low (until it's time to mix when those buffers are raised). With that said...

For exemple with an PCIe 424 motu on the master I can handle 32 buffer.

I know that Logic can handle a 32 buffer, but DP's lowest buffer I was able to use was 64. That *may* have changed over the past year or so, but I'm not sure because I'm using a different brand of audio interface now and not my previous 2408mk2. I know that MOTU has made some changes with their interfaces and drivers which I've not kept up with. Even so, the lowest buffer I can use in DP itself is 64. All of my other "buffer" settings are made from within the different VIs.

I will check my VE Pro settings to see if there are any particular settings which may be pertinent and will report back.

[p.pan]

Thanks a lot again.

Can somebody using PCIe Motu audio-interface tell me if he can handle Buffer 32 In DP Of course

Thanks

[Tripi]

That's really cool. I bought VE Pro when it first came out, but it seemed to make my work flow slow down due to having so many windows open. That's why I switched to using Bidule. I didn't know they found a work around..... definitely need to check that out.

[willheim]

this would be huge for me.

[p.pan]

Just to comeback to the buffer story.

He look like if you see the threads here:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread. ... VSTi/page2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On Windows the Motu PCIe 424 can handle the 32 Buffer and also and she is one of the best
in performance.

Now,
I am bit surprise on Mac with DP (Motu product) we are not able to handle the 32??????

I know its not everybody use this buffer size 32.
But for Edrummer player is the only way for to not feeling the latency.

PCIe user please let me know.

Thanks

[Frodo]

But for Edrummer player is the only way for to not feeling the latency.

PCIe user please let me know.

Thanks

Have you tried using CueMix when recording to avoid noticeable latency? It's part of your MOTU audio driver.

[p.pan]

To Frodo/

You dont understand.
The Vdrum send the MIDI to the computer and use the sound of SD2.
In real time that is a reason I need the buffer at 32.

[jlaudon]

Sorry to reply to the OT conversation, but I've used V drums with SD directly into DP (MIDI cable about 10 ft long, into a 82mkIII), but have found that a buffer of 64 has always been fine (on a keyboard, i can play MIDI drums with a buffer up to 256 normally). I haven't tried it through VE Pro though.

[p.pan]

For this moment I use it with Mainstage because of the 32 and TC Konnect 24D.
I try 64 but is not enought and the drummmer feel the latency.

Sorry to disturb the thread.

Just to comeback to the buffer story.

He look like if you see the threads here:
http://www.vdrums.com/forum/showthread" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. ... VSTi/page2
On Windows the Motu PCIe 424 can handle the 32 Buffer and also and she is one of the best
in performance.

Now,
I am bit surprise on Mac with DP (Motu product) we are not able to handle the 32??????

I know its not everybody use this buffer size 32.
But for Edrummer player is the only way for to not feeling the latency.

PCIe user please let me know.