ProTools 10 previews new "already DP" features...

Radiogal · Post by **Radiogal** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:52 am

Found this on Gearslutz.
PT 10 is copying DP in some upcoming features..

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-co ... 011-a.html

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ez-G5jgebw

Prime Mover · Post by **Prime Mover** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:03 pm

What else is new?

Wow... PT didn't already have those things? Man they are behind! I'm glad I jumped ship when I did.

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:14 pm

Some guy in the thread even said he'd pay 1000 bucks to upgrade if it had clip based gain....

Killahurts · Post by **Killahurts** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:12 pm

jlaudon wrote:Some guy in the thread even said he'd pay 1000 bucks to upgrade if it had clip based gain....

Yeah, but if you told him he could have that and more, for half that money, he'd say it's not "professional" enough.

Dwetmaster · Post by **Dwetmaster** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:26 pm

The whole session in RAM??? wow!!!

daveyboy · Post by **daveyboy** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:30 am

There are definitely things in PT that are very cool (I have PT 9). I have to say though that it doesn't work anywhere near as well as DP when you start throwing a few VIs into a project. Plus, no freeze and no off line bounce. I'd say the biggest thing it has over DP in the MIDI department is the ability to mute MIDI regions or notes and to process (quantize, transpose, etc) MIDI regions non destructively (like Logic). Elastic audio is a great tool as well. It's great that we have all these tools if we need them plus the competition keeps things interesting.

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NazRat · Post by **NazRat** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:32 am

One of the interesting things they are doing is some new caching of the audio files so you can run sessions from network drives. Not quite sure how wide the networking will go (cloud-like or not), but even running sessions from central storage on a LAN would be a fairly desireable feature for multiple room studios/production facilities.

amplidood · Post by **amplidood** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:18 am

daveyboy wrote:I'd say the biggest thing it has over DP in the MIDI department is the ability to mute MIDI regions or notes and to process (quantize, transpose, etc) MIDI regions non destructively (like Logic).

Are you referring to real time MIDI functions? DP has had that for years... it's a track feature, though, not region specific. Everything being region specific would get a bit cumbersome, I would think.

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:10 am

amplidood wrote:
daveyboy wrote:I'd say the biggest thing it has over DP in the MIDI department is the ability to mute MIDI regions or notes and to process (quantize, transpose, etc) MIDI regions non destructively (like Logic).
Are you referring to real time MIDI functions? DP has had that for years... it's a track feature, though, not region specific. Everything being region specific would get a bit cumbersome, I would think.

Agreed. But one could automate the track's plug as needed. Cumbersome, but it works.

And yes. We've had that since at least DP 4

I think the only feature we are REALLY behind with is a decent notation solution. QS seems so primitive... other than that, DP just rocks!

daveyboy · Post by **daveyboy** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:55 am

Yeah, region based.

Prime Mover · Post by **Prime Mover** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:13 pm

FMiguelez wrote:I think the only feature we are REALLY behind with is a decent notation solution. QS seems so primitive... other than that, DP just rocks!

You're forgetting drum mapping. DPs way of defining drum mapping is completely barbaric. The weirdest thing is that I would never use that word to describe any other DP process. DP needs to create another method for saving drum maps other than Device Groups, which is the stupidest, most inflexible, useless system in the whole program. It would be alright only if it allowed for 3 things:

1) linking multiple drum synths together, so that one drum track can send notes to more than one VI. One would think that "Device Groups" would do this, but it's simply a system for echoing MIDI data, not channeling it to the proper VIs.

2) Don't make DGs project universal! This is the scarriest thing. I usually setup different kits for different songs in a sequence. But since drum mapping is not universal, I need to create different drum maps for different songs. If I set a DG for a VI in one sequence, I just want to have another one in another sequence, but currently, I have to make a different DG for every sequence (which is alright), but ALL of them appear in the DG window, no matter which sequence I'm in.

3) Let me import/export drum maps, and even import them from Cubase drum map formats. Many Drum VIs include drummaps for Cubase and other DAWs. But DP doesn't have a drum map format, so there's nothing to do but go down manually.

I waste SO MUCH TIME in drum mapping bullsh••, it drives me nuts. I can't just use templates, because I use different drumkits for every few sequences, so it doesn't do me much good. DP REALLY needs to address these issues.

Better yet, •••• Device Groups. Just let me create drum maps on MIDI files whether they are connected to DGs or not. Then let me save/import those. Problem solved.

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:48 pm

Try and go easy on the language on the board. Glad I put the F word filter on.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:09 pm

FMiguelez wrote:I think the only feature we are REALLY behind with is a decent notation solution. QS seems so primitive... other than that, DP just rocks!

Yeah, I SO agree. Many years ago -- in the mid 1990s -- I asked someone at MOTU why they didn't make a full-featured notation tool inside DP, rather than the joke of Quickscribe. They said it would bloat the software, but that in addition they wanted people to buy Mosaic. Mosaic was an ideal notation app. It did not do the advanced things that Finale did, nor does it come close to the amazing apps that Finale and Sibelius have become, but this was in the day when software still came largely on floppy disks. Size WAS a factor then. Better to open your notation app when you needed it, then open DP when you needed that. Having them both together would have made the software laggy and inefficient.

I agreed, and I used Mosaic, which was an app you could love. But after 1998, they didn't do much more to Mosaic. A few updates to work better with the final "Classic MacOS" versions, but when we went to OSX, Mosaic sadly remained behind in the distant past. "Maybe," I thought, "MOTU will now incorporate the ghost of Mosaic into Quickscribe, giving us the best of all worlds." I practically convinced myself that this was what they were going to do, so I never bought Finale or Sibelius. Boy, did I ever fool me. Shame on me!

So, here I sit, a decade later, with what I think is the greatest DAW on the planet, but no notation software. I think I'm about to break down and get Sibelius. I've waited long enough for MOTU to fix this situation, but they have not. It's a shame; Mosaic had all I need. If they'd just "rolled it up" with DP, this would be an unbeatable combination.

On the other hand, after watching my friend in NYC using Sibelius, I'm jaw-droppingly, staggeringly blown away. Now, I just kinda want to get Sibelius and move out of the past.

Shooshie

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:57 pm

Interesting how Avid bought Sibelius, and quickly integrated parts of it into PT, so the notation side of PT is quite nice. You'd think it would've been fairly straightforward for MOTU to do that with Mosaic.

The ideal is to have something as comprehensive as Sibelius, but as simple as DP for note input (live playing into tracks). PT 9 and above tries to do this, but then it's handing of VIs is still clunky. And, I have to add, even though it's OT, I downloaded Reaper just out of curiosity, and couldn't believe how clunky and silly some things were - multi windows to open and close just to access a plugin on a track

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:04 am

Hey, Shoosh.
Yeah. I'm in a situation similar to yours... I've been putting off upgrading my Finale 2004 (!), hoping QS would some day give me at least a few more basic and indispensable notation tools. DP7 raised my hopes, but it's still too basic, and I'm not sure they will go much further than that

I could understand MOTU's doubts about getting into writing a notation app for the first time... but it isn't! I never used Mosaic, but judging by your experience it was brilliant for its time. So MOTU has experience with this. They just need to give us much more advanced features with what we already got, that's all.
I don't expect it to compete with Finale's advanced features, of course. But come on! Changing staff clefs, lines crossing staffs, 3-4 voices per staff, slurs, symbols that play (programmable), being able to manipulate note groupings and ties, etc. are essential things we need to easily do.

I think I will just take the plunge and get the Finale upgrade. I haven't had to do too much notation, obviously, otherwise I would've bought it ages ago! Trying to compose piano pieces with QS is an exercise in frustration

I wonder what MOTU's plans are with DP for the future. What direction will they take it?

DP is almost perfect. It just needs a few refinements and improvements in certain areas.
And as long as they also keep adding better features, it will continue kicking ass, including PT's and Logic's, let alone Jack the Reaper 's.

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