All MIDI notes rec and playback doubled [RESOLVED]

[NealF]

Well All I changed was upgrading to 7. Now when I play and external synth OR a VI the notes recorded doubled, right on top of each other. I can delete them with the delete doubles plug in, but it shouldn't be happening.
Weird. Didn't change a thing.

[doodles]

are you playing them in via a controller keyboard? Have you accidentally got 2 channels recording at the same time? For example, my fatar keyboard has 4 buttons really close together for MIDI transmit. I often hit one by accident.

[NealF]

I'm using the CME UF8 for controller keyboard. Don't think it's doing that. But if it was, wouldn't it still only record the one going into the MIDI enabled channel in DP? In other words, even if the controller was sending out on channels 1 and 2 but only one MIDI track was enabled, would that one track get doubles or just pick what was sent out as channel 1?

I won't be able to check this out till Friday. But I'll have another look.
Thanks.

[newrigel]

Weird. Didn't change a thing.

That's how it happens Neil... you don't have to. Trash your DP preferences and use ONYX. You'll have to get in there and reset all your settings but you'll start with a clean slate.
ONYX is a great tool because it can clean out all the caches on your system that get corrupt.
And it could be coming from your controller too because you do have to touch that quite a bit and maybe you hit a button somehow.
When you update, those cache files reside in there and are created by a different version in which they can become a problem for the new application... I think that one version on a volume is the way to go to stay away from this.

[Buzzy]

This happens to me as well when I record MIDI using the Roland VG-99. And ONLY when I use the VG-99. But of course, since this is something that can be dealt with fairly easily, it has carried on under the radar of issues to be resolved for a loooong time now.

A permanent resolution would be nice.

[newrigel]

This happens to me as well when I record MIDI using the Roland VG-99. And ONLY when I use the VG-99. But of course, since this is something that can be dealt with fairly easily, it has carried on under the radar of issues to be resolved for a loooong time now.

A permanent resolution would be nice.

Well there you go... you narrowed it down to that device. I'd get into that manual and find out if there's a setting for echoing MIDI data re-channelization etc.. it's a transmit thing and a hard reset too might be good for it to clean it out. When I have a problem with my K2000 I just do a hard reset and I'm going again.

[Buzzy]

This happens to me as well when I record MIDI using the Roland VG-99. And ONLY when I use the VG-99. But of course, since this is something that can be dealt with fairly easily, it has carried on under the radar of issues to be resolved for a loooong time now.

A permanent resolution would be nice.

Well there you go... you narrowed it down to that device. I'd get into that manual and find out if there's a setting for echoing MIDI data re-channelization etc.. it's a transmit thing and a hard reset too might be good for it to clean it out. When I have a problem with my K2000 I just do a hard reset and I'm going again.

Thanks newrigel, I'll give that a try.

I like your 'can-do' attitude. It makes these (this) problems just seem very easy. I remember having this attitude as well long before the multitudes of software (in)compatability issues & rewire & uniwire & haywire..... Actually it's the 'real job' that just gets in my way!

I see some maual reading being done tonight at that 'real job'.
cheers

[NealF]

Thanks guys.

I'm starting to recall this might have happened once before a few years back. It may be the controller. I won't be able to test it till Friday (darn) but I'm sure I'll have it fixed with one of the suggestions above.

Thanks.

[Timeline]

I have that issue when my MIDI and USB was feeding at the same time.
Would like to know why though the flam removal never works for me.

[NealF]

Not sure about the flam removal, but if the notes are exactly the same time it isn't going to see it as a flam. You should use the Remove Duplicates command for that.

[williemyers]

... when I play and external synth OR a VI the notes recorded doubled, right on top of each other. I can delete them with the delete doubles plug in, but it shouldn't be happening.
Weird. Didn't change a thing.

o.k., everyone using MIDI in 7.02, please take a look at this, would you? I'm laying in some new tracks in a new 7.02 sequence and am finding that DP's putting *more* than two copies of the same notes/same durations for everything I input!!
for exam., I play in a single Bb, then I open the Graphic Editor window for that track. If I grab that Bb, drag it to another - say, later - position, and I have the Bb I just dragged, as well as the original Bb! *BUT*, now I grab both Bb's, drag them to a later position, and I've got *THREE* Bb's! It's acting kind of like "edge-edit-copy" would in an audio track. This is definitely not a MIDI controller/kybd issue, this is something brand new in 7 (02)....and it needs desperately to go away

addendum to the above:
while I was trying to see just how many Bb's were in that track, DP 7.02 went beach-ball. after about 5 min. , I decided it wasn't going to respond, so I went for Force Quit. It allowed it, but it told me that not only was DP not responding, but Core MIDI was also not responding.
hmmmm.....

addendum to the addendum!
forgot to mention that, unlike Neal, I've also put in the new MOTU MIDI driver, "1.5.37320" that was put up a week or so ago. I think the first thing I'll try - after the usual suspects - is to go back one MIDI driver..

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Yikes! Full test tomorrow in7.1

[James Steele]

Probably nothing, but you don't have a multi-zone MIDI controller and you have more than one zone activated or something as obvious as that do you? I only ask, because what you describe is very, VERY odd.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

It's sounds like the opt key is stuck...

[James Steele]

It's sounds like the opt key is stuck...

Ahh... I didn't read carefully. I thought he was getting duplicate notes immediately after recording MIDI. But he's dragging and the behavior is indeed just as if the Opt key was being held down.