How to use outboard w/ DP 4.5

[jeronimo]

Hey guys, I couldn‘t find any way to do this, besides using 2 tracks to do such job.
How can I insert an external hardware (compressor) into a track in DP?
On PT LE I can choose under the "insert" tab, btw plugins or hardware inserts via regular ins and outs from my 001.
How can I do this in DP? There is no such option. I thought about routing let‘s say, my snare track out to the compressor, than back to another track that would do it, but I want "faster" let‘s say.
How do I do it?

[danes]

I always go to the routing way...been wondering myself if there's any faster method to do that

[croyal]

Yep, bus out to an external compressor and back in to another track. Don't forget that there will be a small amount of delay which you can visually line up after you record the compressed audio. The compressed track will appear "slightly" delayed compared to the original.

This also means that a real time solution is not practical unless you delay all the other tracks equally to line up with the incoming comressed one. There is a formula but I don't know it.

You can try to compare the newly recorded compressed track with the original to see how late it is. THEN delay all the tracks except the outgoing bussed track and this should line evrything up in a real time mix/mastering situation.

[jeronimo]

Ohhh man, that‘s silly! I can‘t believe they haven‘t put this option on the software yet. It sux bad!

[Timeline]

It could be streamlined true.

How about ping & auto compensate delay MOTU?

[jeronimo]

Yeah... acting like pro tools (hardware insert on each channel) would be great.
But gess what... it could be worse. I just tried doing this in logic express 7.1 and it can be done only in 8 tracks, ‘cause it only has 8 busses and aux tracks only accept outputs from multi channel virtual instruments... it SUX even worse!!!

[TheHopiWay]

http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/latencyfixer.html

this free plugin will make your task a breeze (at least in terms of latency).

<small>[ June 13, 2005, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: TheHopiWay ]</small>

[genel]

Latency Fixer will remain consistent given a specific sample rate and buffer setting. Once you test your system and find out what a specific latency is, you can make up a clipping for that setting of Latency Fixer. Mine have names like Insert_512_44.1. Then just drag the appropriate clipping in and you are compensated.This takes less than a second once you are set up, and is actually faster than using the ping method that Cubase/Nuendo use. I use external compressors, effects and equalizers in every session.
Gene Lennon

[jeronimo]

I‘ll try this in a couple of days...

[tim57var]

Am I missing something here? I'm sending to out board reverb by using an fx bus send directly to the unit, then returning into CueMix. As far as I've been able to tell, there's no latency in this setup. Sure, there's no automation on the reverb return, but it's a small price to pay. This thread talks about latency so much, I wonder if you're overlooking the obvious, or I'm missing the boat......

[Resonant Alien]

This is something that is kind of strange to me. I run external out to a Lexicon MPX1 quite a bit. Now, when I am monitoring in real time, the return from the MPX1 is delayed, sure 'nuff. I actually use the DelayComp plug from my UAD stuff to fix the delay while monitoring (the plug UAD uses for plugin delay compensation before ADC) - works great when set to "2 plugs". But as anyone who has used the UAD DelayComp knows, this plug is inserted on all the tracks OTHER than the one that needs comp-ing - it delays the other tracks so they play in time with the latent track.

Now, here's the really weird part......when I actually record the return from the MPX into a track and then play the recorded track back with the rest of the tracks, after removing the DC plug, there IS NO MORE DELAY!!! How can this be? It isn't because of the DelayComp plug because, as I said, the DC plug is inserted on all the other tracks to delay them to match the latency of the hardware-delayed track, so it isn't like it is recording back through the DC when it prints.....weird.

<small>[ June 14, 2005, 06:14 AM: Message edited by: Resonant Alien ]</small>

[TheHopiWay]

Originally posted by tim57var:
Am I missing something here? I'm sending to out board reverb by using an fx bus send directly to the unit, then returning into CueMix. As far as I've been able to tell, there's no latency in this setup. Sure, there's no automation on the reverb return, but it's a small price to pay. This thread talks about latency so much, I wonder if you're overlooking the obvious, or I'm missing the boat......

With verbs on an aux bus it's a bit different situation.
The latency simply acts as a pre-delay on the signal going to the verb.
Since many verb settings incorporate pre delay as a variable setting to allow a space between the dry signal and the effected signal all the latency does is increase the pre delay time. This is not necessarily a problem and if it sounds good to you don't sweat it.

[draudio2u]

Since many verb settings incorporate pre delay as a variable setting to allow a space between the dry signal and the effected signal all the latency does is increase the pre delay time. This is not necessarily a problem and if it sounds good to you don't sweat it.

Problem with this is that you have no control over that predelay setting. Sometimes 6ms is fine sometimes10ms is, but without control you will never know if you have an "acceptable" predelay.

Quick question - In Cuemix, can you mix with automation on all the tracks except the reverb returns? This would be a great solution since it should end all latency issues and you usually don't need to move reverb returns once you have the setting - al least much of the time....

[tim57var]

CueMix, of course, lives outside of the DP application. There is no automation for signals coming in through CueMix, but can set the level and forget it. Also, you can save a mixer setting of the CueMix window (which I do in every DP project). Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't there be no latency since the audio track feeding the Reverb is in real-time the same as the audio you're hearing in the Master Mix? Also, there's so significant latency coming back through CueMix. Maybe a small amount caused by an A/D/A conversion - but my path is all digital, so there!!!

[jeronimo]

Ok, here is the thing:
- using latency fixer you cannot put the plugin on the tracks that are NOT going out and back in.
- somehow, DP doesn‘t pre delay aux tracks with live hardware inputs. I had an aux track w/ a compressed snare, and no matter how high I set the delay there was no change. So I sent the output from this AUX track into an audio track and recorded it. Now, using the audio track, I could set latency fixer to match the original snare.
So, I guess we cannot compensate for the tracks that went out and back in without recording the signal back onto an audio track.
Did I make my self clear?