Logic 9.1 is 64-bit now.... hello MOTU, are you listening?

[Tripi]

http://support.apple.com/kb/ts2565

Looks like there are a couple of issues with not being able to use firewire video, rewire, and some other stuff. But, you can load samples into ram until your brain melts. Any chance this will get MOTU moving quicker to bring us DP in 64-bit? Hope so

[Killahurts]

Can't be far, one would think...

[Killahurts]

You know, I was looking at the features that are not working in 64 bit mode, and was surprised to find that half or more of those would be deal-breakers for me.

And on another note, they get Logic working in 64 bit, but we Final Cut Studio folks are STILL waiting.

[michkhol]

Can't be far, one would think...

I would prefer a long and detailed list of fixed bugs instead. Like Apple does.

[Larry Mal]

I'm incredibly excited about it, and have been playing around with it for a while now. Not everything is perfect with it: BFD 2 isn't recognized in 64 bit at all. But I loaded up some projects in it that were choking version 9 before, and it flows with no problem.

There is a 4 GB zone allocated to all the other 32 bit plug ins still, and only one of those from what I understand. You've read the other limitations, most of which don't effect me, but do for some.

But I'm pretty excited to see some movement to 64 bit on the pro application level, and it'll be nice when it happens on Final Cut Pro as well, although that won't help me until I upgrade to the latest version. I can't wait for when DP goes 64 bit as well, can't be long.

[mhschmieder]

Maybe they'll announce something at NAMM this weekend.

I won't be at the MOTU party due to when my flight arrives, but look forward to visiting the MOTU booth, after three years of skipping NAMM.

[Larry Mal]

It's really good- I have a 36 track project (all audio) running at 96k, I went ahead and put linear reverb (Logic stock) on every track and a few convolution reverbs on it, and some other third party IK Multimedia stuff and a couple of UAD plugs.

No hiccups, no problems. This is not what would have happened before.

[newrigel]

You know, I was looking at the features that are not working in 64 bit mode, and was surprised to find that half or more of those would be deal-breakers for me.

And on another note, they get Logic working in 64 bit, but we Final Cut Studio folks are STILL waiting.

I think there's a bit more involved with FCS...

[ironchef_marc]

I too am anxiously waiting for 64bit. Hopefully it's around the corner and late Xmas gift kind of thing!

[n2mpujack]

I was over on the DUC when I saw the news about Logic. Would like to see DP follow suit. The big bummer for me is the one that's going to haunt a lot of people until Propellerhead gets off the stump and recodes rewire for 64 bit. I've asked over on their forums before (I use Reason for some things like the Abbey Road instruments and Reason pianos) and as much as got laughed at. They asked/said: "Things sound good as they are. Why should the Props spend the time rewriting rewire for the few that use it?" Also got the same response when I asked about Reason itself going 64 bit.

Yeah, I know, run both 32 and 64 bit versions of whatever daw (Sonar, DP, PT, whatever). So SL boots by default into 32 bit. Remedy for that is simple: hold down the 6 and 4 keys when the computer boots. There's also another way to do things so you don't have to hold down the 6 and 4 keys but don't remember what it is or where I saw it.

[Tripi]

Apparently, Logic 9.1 isn't the great upgrade because of all of the non-functional parts in 64bit. Hopefully when DP comes out, it won't be a test-release, but a full blown 64 bit app. It's really difficult when you rely on different 3rd party vendors (like Propellerheads) to implement 64bit on their ends of the line. I would have a hard time changing over if DP came out tomorrow in 64bit, mainly because of the other plugins I depend on. For me though, the most exciting part of it is being able to finally ditch all the wonky work-arounds for having a large orchestral template loaded. Bidule is great, but sometimes I just wish everything was in my DP session.

[James Steele]

"Comparative DAW" threads go in the OT forum as with posts about Logic. They don't really belong in the DP Forum. Hello, are YOU listening?

[Tripi]

"Comparative DAW" threads go in the OT forum as with posts about Logic. They don't really belong in the DP Forum. Hello, are YOU listening?

Apparently i'm not. It was supposed to be a thread about getting excited that DP 64-bit might be appearing soon too. Feel free to demote us to OT. Sorry about that.

[Frodo]

This is going to take a bit more patience overall. For a few years I've predicted the day Logic goes full 64-bit would be an important road sign. So, we've passed that landmark as of today. What does that mean?

3-4 years ago, those of us with late-model G5s were hoping for new life to come to those machines sporting 8GB+ RAM. No such luck. Steve Jobs announced that there would be no support for 64-bit frameworks on the PPC--- and suddenly the MacPros appeared. So, I read the sea shells, bones, and runes as best I could and bought a SECOND GENERATION MacPro with the belief that I'd shopped wisely. That was 2007.

Lo and behold, my machine was a 2x Duo Core. Little did anyone know at the time that any old Intel would not work to the extent to which it was promised. Enter the Core 2 Duo.

My point, I guess, is that it doesn't matter what Logic or DP are doing right now. For many of us, we got doubly omitted from the 64-bit equation.

Okay-- in celebration of Logic's entry into 64-bit world this month, we also see some SERIOUS compromises:

No AAF import or export
No OMF import or export
No MP3 conversion
No Eucon support
No Automap of control surfaces
No REX support
No ReWire support
No VSL tools
No Logic Nodes

... among others.

There may be very good reasons why such important features cannot be supported at this time. Whatever those reasons are, MOTU will have to confront those reasons with the reality that Apple couldn't figure these things out first to pass those feature support specs onto third-party developers like MOTU.

Once again, those of you who bought a MacPro (or any Mac with a Core 2 Duo chipset) within the past 24 months are among the lucky ones. G5 users are either licking their wounds or falling asleep on the latest news--- but Duo Core MacPro owners are crying foul out loud-- or are pretending to be altogether disinterested. Those still thriving on G5s might have already been contemplating their next computer purchase. Those who made that purchase before the age of the Core 2 Duo are now faced with having to buy a new machine within months of their last MacPro purchase just to make good on any possibility of running ANYTHING in 64-bit mode.

On that note, if MOTU takes their time with getting DP to full 64-bit, I'm personally okay with that. It's going to pretty much be a complete do-over for me-- a new machine, new (ie: expensive) RAM, etc. Sheesh--- I don't know whether to laugh or cry about all of this.

Given the incompatibilities with Logic 9.1 in 64-bit, I'm quite happy to wait until MOTU sorts out the same hurdles for "DP8".

[jroadrage]

Until everything 3rd party underneath DP's hierarchy is legitimately 64 bit AND DP has proved it can handle hosting 30 GB of various sampling engines, synths, effects, without a glitch then I'll hold off.

I've basically given up on DP being able to internally handle any serious amount of AU activity from more than one proprietary engine for a while now and I really don't even miss the idea. Right now my DP template (hundreds of MIDI tracks, 64 busses, dozens of inputs and 10 Altiverbs) hums along at around 400 MB of RAM usage and negligible CPU and is snappy, responsive, stable and takes all of a quarter of a second to save.

I think there's (at least for a while) going to be a really small amount of practical usage for all of that RAM inside of most DP projects. If I were to try to get everything I am doing just on my DAW machine under the DP hood I'd be looking at running 3 different sampling/synth engines running over 8 GB of samples. Loading and saving alone would be a part time job, not to mention the likely troubleshooting and restarts.

I think the real useful returns on 64 bit technology for virtual instruments are going to be in the likes of tightly coordinated hosts like VE PRO and Bidule. At some point you can only expect so much from one piece of software (with relatively limited development clout and resources) that has to reliably integrate all of the existing and constantly changing elements from so many other developers.