Can I ask a favour please?
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Can I ask a favour please?
I have not been using DP on a regular basis since migrating to Logic as a work requirement. I had given up on DP5 since consistent and unbearable crashes. My workflow usually revolves around using multiple VI's say 7-8. Then real time effects on a number of these tracks. In DP 5 I could barely get past 3 without severe spiking of the processor meter plus crashing around simple audio production. My machine at home is a MacBook with 3GB RAM and a 7200RPM HD.
In logic I can run so much more with not a jot of a problem. The kicker is that I would prefer to be working in DP. Can I have an honest opinion or maybe even a screen shot example set up on anyone using a similar set up. I would really be annoyed to once again upgrade DP to find the same lack of processing capability.
Thanks everyone.
Jaime
In logic I can run so much more with not a jot of a problem. The kicker is that I would prefer to be working in DP. Can I have an honest opinion or maybe even a screen shot example set up on anyone using a similar set up. I would really be annoyed to once again upgrade DP to find the same lack of processing capability.
Thanks everyone.
Jaime
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Re: Can I ask a favour please?
Let us know a bit more about the computer. Processor speed? Anything about interfaces that we might need to know?
Have you already read the stickies in this forum about trouble free DP use?
Sorry to just ask questions, but the information is important.
Have you already read the stickies in this forum about trouble free DP use?
Sorry to just ask questions, but the information is important.
Dick H
24" iMac M3, OS Sonoma 15.3.1 , 16GB, DP 11.32
828x, 8Pre.
24" iMac M3, OS Sonoma 15.3.1 , 16GB, DP 11.32
828x, 8Pre.
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Re: Can I ask a favour please?
In DP 6.01, I just turned OFF "Pre-gen VI's when possible" in the General/Audio/Plug-ins Preferences, and WOW !! Fab Four, from EastWest, which uses their PLAY engine, just got a Whole Lot Friendlier.
I see you are using DP5, which didn't pre-render VI's as far as I know.
But should you decide to leave Logic and return to DP, and you choose to use v.6.01 of DP, you may get much better mileage, with a fast CPU and a laptop drive, if you turn OFF the pre-rendering (or 'pre-gen' - I guess pre-generate the sound files is what this term means) of VI's in the above mentioned preference.
I see you are using DP5, which didn't pre-render VI's as far as I know.
But should you decide to leave Logic and return to DP, and you choose to use v.6.01 of DP, you may get much better mileage, with a fast CPU and a laptop drive, if you turn OFF the pre-rendering (or 'pre-gen' - I guess pre-generate the sound files is what this term means) of VI's in the above mentioned preference.
DP 11.32 12core(5,1): 64GB/10.14.6, two 24i/o's, two 2408mk3's, 4pre, MicroLite-- MBP 2015 16GB/ 2TB 'Blade SSD 10.14.4, Mainstage, Numa C2x, ReMOTE SL -- 32 Lives, Pro-53, SampleTron,Keyscape,MTronPro,RolCloud,Icarus,Dune,OB-E; Clearmountain Domain,Soundtoys,AdrenaLinnSync, LinnSequencers,Tempest, Montage, JU80, Sledge, Prophet-X, T8, OB-6 V-Synth, s70xs, D-50, TS-10, JD800, Karma, Pa-1x B3, Wurly, Mason Hamlin.
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Re: Can I ask a favour please?
My MacBook is an Intel Core 2 DUo 2GHZ, plenty of oomph with plenty of HD space and enough RAM, cheers guys and gals.
jaime
jaime
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Re: Can I ask a favour please?
I was just saying that if the VI's you plan to use in DP stream from disk, you might consider turning off pre-rendering of VI's in DP6, precisely because that would take better advantage of your powerful processor...
DP 11.32 12core(5,1): 64GB/10.14.6, two 24i/o's, two 2408mk3's, 4pre, MicroLite-- MBP 2015 16GB/ 2TB 'Blade SSD 10.14.4, Mainstage, Numa C2x, ReMOTE SL -- 32 Lives, Pro-53, SampleTron,Keyscape,MTronPro,RolCloud,Icarus,Dune,OB-E; Clearmountain Domain,Soundtoys,AdrenaLinnSync, LinnSequencers,Tempest, Montage, JU80, Sledge, Prophet-X, T8, OB-6 V-Synth, s70xs, D-50, TS-10, JD800, Karma, Pa-1x B3, Wurly, Mason Hamlin.
Hardware rig: http://www.tommymandel.com/famous.html/tmrig.html"
Hardware rig: http://www.tommymandel.com/famous.html/tmrig.html"
Re: Can I ask a favour please?
Just looked at your set-up picture......You have a-lot of synths, are you preferring VIs nowadays? or just using everything you got?
7 to 8 VIs at a time, thats a pretty hefty load.
I'm not being helpful, I know, just curious.
7 to 8 VIs at a time, thats a pretty hefty load.
I'm not being helpful, I know, just curious.
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Re: Can I ask a favour please?
yo dogBoy, thanks for checking out my setup.
You got it right - I am being seduced by VI's in my MacBookPro.
First it was Mainstage. Gotta love some of those EP's, guitars, CLAV's etc...
I got Soundflower going and it was good, once I clicked the blue INPUT button on the DP tracks,
and, of course, visited Setup/Interapplication MIDI.
I had bought a VK-7 (clonewheel) and Yamaha RA-50 old Leslie amp for live, so I was out nearly $1100.
So that's why I sold my Prophet Five. But
I started missing it, so I found NI's EXCELLENT Pro-53 on eBay.
It works great with DP, as long as one remembers the knob changes are not automation, they are CC's...
Sounds better than my old Prophet, maybe because it models the original Curtis Chips, and mine was newer.
So then I got a Novation Remote SL to 'do the knobs' on the Pro-53, and I was still up about $600.
My friends were instrumental in Superior Drummer 2's Avatar sessions, so that was next.
Then I started using the UVI that came bundled with DP6, but only for the piano sometimes, the gut string guitar, and the Arp Solina (retro) String synth.
So that was 3 VI's, and I started leaving the other side of my studio (with all the synths) powered down when I started my workday work.
Then I went for Fab Four, which is working so much better now that I disabled pre-generate VI's in DP preferences (DP/Prefs/General/Audio/ Audio Plug-ins)
So, no, I'm not up to 7 or 8, and I believe you, that would be a hefty load (especially if one is VSL or something!)
But I did do 6 or 7 PLAYS at once yesterday, after turning pre-gen OFF. And it was good.
So, as your question points out, I should try everything together next.
You got it right - I am being seduced by VI's in my MacBookPro.
First it was Mainstage. Gotta love some of those EP's, guitars, CLAV's etc...
I got Soundflower going and it was good, once I clicked the blue INPUT button on the DP tracks,
and, of course, visited Setup/Interapplication MIDI.
I had bought a VK-7 (clonewheel) and Yamaha RA-50 old Leslie amp for live, so I was out nearly $1100.
So that's why I sold my Prophet Five. But

It works great with DP, as long as one remembers the knob changes are not automation, they are CC's...
Sounds better than my old Prophet, maybe because it models the original Curtis Chips, and mine was newer.
So then I got a Novation Remote SL to 'do the knobs' on the Pro-53, and I was still up about $600.
My friends were instrumental in Superior Drummer 2's Avatar sessions, so that was next.
Then I started using the UVI that came bundled with DP6, but only for the piano sometimes, the gut string guitar, and the Arp Solina (retro) String synth.
So that was 3 VI's, and I started leaving the other side of my studio (with all the synths) powered down when I started my workday work.
Then I went for Fab Four, which is working so much better now that I disabled pre-generate VI's in DP preferences (DP/Prefs/General/Audio/ Audio Plug-ins)
So, no, I'm not up to 7 or 8, and I believe you, that would be a hefty load (especially if one is VSL or something!)
But I did do 6 or 7 PLAYS at once yesterday, after turning pre-gen OFF. And it was good.
So, as your question points out, I should try everything together next.
DP 11.32 12core(5,1): 64GB/10.14.6, two 24i/o's, two 2408mk3's, 4pre, MicroLite-- MBP 2015 16GB/ 2TB 'Blade SSD 10.14.4, Mainstage, Numa C2x, ReMOTE SL -- 32 Lives, Pro-53, SampleTron,Keyscape,MTronPro,RolCloud,Icarus,Dune,OB-E; Clearmountain Domain,Soundtoys,AdrenaLinnSync, LinnSequencers,Tempest, Montage, JU80, Sledge, Prophet-X, T8, OB-6 V-Synth, s70xs, D-50, TS-10, JD800, Karma, Pa-1x B3, Wurly, Mason Hamlin.
Hardware rig: http://www.tommymandel.com/famous.html/tmrig.html"
Hardware rig: http://www.tommymandel.com/famous.html/tmrig.html"