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New work by Mozart found!

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26772717/

It is a prolific composer who can write a piece 217 years after his death! :) That's almost as prolific as Hendrix was after his death.

Seriously, I cannot wait to see this.
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Re: New work by Mozart found!

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Yeah, I saw that this morning. Perhaps reports of Mozart's death have been GREATLY exaggerated. :D
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Interesting. That article didn't pop up when I visited MSNBC this morning, but the BBC article did, and this is a rare case where the BBC article was less detailed :-).

I'm always excited when these discoveries are made, because not only are we likely to hear another great work from one of the masters, but the unfinished nature of it opens opportunities for composers to apply their training towards attempting to infer how it would have been finished -- with alternate views.

A case in point is Mahler's 10th Symphony, which now has at least two, if not three, interpretations of how Mahler might have completed it, based on his scant notes.
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mhschmieder wrote:Interesting. That article didn't pop up when I visited MSNBC this morning, but the BBC article did, and this is a rare case where the BBC article was less detailed :-).

I'm always excited when these discoveries are made, because not only are we likely to hear another great work from one of the masters, but the unfinished nature of it opens opportunities for composers to apply their training towards attempting to infer how it would have been finished -- with alternate views.
A case in point is Mahler's 10th Symphony, which now has at least two, if not three, interpretations of how Mahler might have completed it, based on his scant notes.
I saw this on the news and went on line to see it, I wish there was a good photo of the music so I could hear it in my head.
I think we will be seeing a few interpretations of this work. It would be fun to go to a concert with renditions of lost and unfinished works.
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From what I read in the news, it's a sketch of a melody with no harmony nor suggested instrumentation. It was probably a theme he was working on for use some other work. Too bad it never got completed. :(
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bkshepard wrote:From what I read in the news, it's a sketch of a melody with no harmony nor suggested instrumentation. It was probably a theme he was working on for use some other work. Too bad it never got completed. :(
I think I may have found on attempt at completing it...

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Re: New work by Mozart found!

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Wow, what a blast from the past!

MLC, I played this piece 30 years ago and it was something else even then! I thought the Mozart Society destroyed all the scores and parts in 1984.

I guess with the Internet, nothing will ever disappear.

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I've always had trouble with the "release the penguins" section of this piece. Could never get it right.

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MIDI that is a monster! What is it? It looks like a practice chart, wow my finger hurt just looking at it.
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There's a wrong note in that. First 16th note after J, top pitch should be F-natural. Damn, I hate proof-reading! :D
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Re: New work by Mozart found!

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bkshepard wrote:There's a wrong note in that. First 16th note after J, top pitch should be F-natural. Damn, I hate proof-reading! :D
WRONG! It should be a Eb triple sharp! (Once removed...) :)

BTW, here is the second movement:

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Re: New work by Mozart found!

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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:
bkshepard wrote:There's a wrong note in that. First 16th note after J, top pitch should be F-natural. Damn, I hate proof-reading! :D
WRONG! It should be a Eb triple sharp! (Once removed...) :)
On the recording I've got, I'm pretty sure it's an F-natural enharmonically spelled as Eb double-sharp. :shock:
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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:BTW, here is the second movement:

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I must say graphically it is nice looking.
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Re: New work by Mozart found!

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It's times like these I'm glad it's all hieroglyphics to me. I mean, it's all... hieroglyphics. :shock: :lol:

I heard on the BBC that folks are speculating that it's an early (albeit unfinished) work. Pre-genius, perhaps. The snippet I heard was very "Mozart" - unmistakably so, but it was basic and even more predictable than what I've come to know as moats art.

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