Copying DP Mixes leading to bad copies of mixes...Bug?

[toodamnhip]

For some time now, I have found that copying a mix so that I can embark upon a revised version in the mix window, can sometimes lead to a bad copy of the mix.

This can be seen by watchng the faders.

On a good copying- the faders stay stable.
On a bad copying- the faders and shift and the mix levels are different.

It could be that the larger and more complex the DP file is, the more likely this bug is to occur.

However, the worst problem that results from this is a lack of confidence in the accuracy of DP's copying of it's ix settings.
Thus, when I get to that proverbial magic spot where the mix is almost there, I find my self relutcant to copy the mix for fear that inner parameters are being changed, alterations that cannot be seen by fader alteration t alone.
has anyone else experienced this problem>? It has been a long time issue, through various versions of Dp and on different machines.

[Tim]

I've always had strange stuff happen with the multiple mix thing, so I've never used it that much. But in DP 5.** it's unusable for me.

I recently had a fairly lean project going that was bogging down badly.
I finally realized that there were multiple mixes in it left over from the project I had made the template from. I had a few plugins going in all the mix copies, so I suspect that they are not disabled in an un-active mix, which would not be good.

[Tonio]

That seems to occur with multiple sequences also. UAD-1 is good announcing self disabling.

Though I'm still DP 4.61, if that matters. Hence DP 6!!?!

T

[Shooshie]

Toodamnhip and Tim, you've set some wheels in motion in my head. I have a feeling you're on to something there. Too soon to say what it is, exactly, but I'm almost certain there's something to this. Maybe it's more from multiple sequences, rather than multiple mixes. But one or the other could be the cause.

I've been working in a file with only one sequence (not including the V-Rack), and it's been the most stable file I've worked in since OS9. Intuitively, I suspected that multiple sequences could be a problem, for when I needed a console from an older backup of the file, I didn't load the entire sequence in. I just loaded the console I needed, for I was reluctant to have that other sequence in the file.

Hmmmm.... gonna have to think about this and try some things.

Shooshie

[blue]

I remember Magic Dave saying something about how plugins in secondary sequences (and mixes) take up RAM even if they don't actively use CPU. That would certainly account for any slowdowns.

[toodamnhip]

Well..many of you seem to be talking about comp slows..but i am talking about altered mixes where the copy mix isn;t identical like it should be.
The faders change, and perhaps the harder to see settings like eq's change too..I dunno..

What I do is watch the faders and if they change at all when creating a copy of the mix, I delete the copy and tell DP to make a copy of the mix a 2nd time. I have never had DP not get it right the second time. But,...this type of alteration makes me paranoid..I mean, I cannot watch every parameter or every plug in, eq etc..but if one parameter goes out, one thinks maybe other things are getting altered too?
It is a wonderful feature to be able to have multiple mixes..it's a shame when it is a feature that needs to be wondered about, doubted, etc..

[Tim]

Well..many of you seem to be talking about comp slows..but i am talking about altered mixes where the copy mix isn;t identical like it should be.
The faders change, and perhaps the harder to see settings like eq's change too..I dunno..

Yes.....I started seeing that with DP5 and haven't bothered with dup mixes since.


I often have multiple sequences in a project, and they don't even come close to hitting the system like multiple mixes do.

The multiple mix feature has never been ready for prime time, which is a damn shame, 'cause it's an awesome feature (potentially).

[Eleventh Hour Sound]

Wow, this is something I never considered. Some of my songs may have 5+ different mixes and come to think of it, I never go back to an old mix so maybe I need to stop using it. Also, I didn't realize that extra sequence chunks would have CPU drain also... Thanks for the info

BTW: In case duplicating a mix does altar your mix settings, would a snapshot give you the ability to go back?

[Shooshie]

Workaround: Save multiple mixes in files that are saved as copies, then delete them from the working file. When you need another mix, load it from one of the copies. That is, if you start experiencing crashes or other odd behavior. Until then, nothing is required. Just always save copies, no matter what you're doing. Then you have places to return to when things go wrong.

On second thought, just drag those chunks to the Finder when you've saved multiple copies, then delete. When you need one, drag it back.


Shooshie

[toodamnhip]

Wow, this is something I never considered. Some of my songs may have 5+ different mixes and come to think of it, I never go back to an old mix so maybe I need to stop using it. Also, I didn't realize that extra sequence chunks would have CPU drain also... Thanks for the info

BTW: In case duplicating a mix does altar your mix settings, would a snapshot give you the ability to go back?

Well..let me be clearer,
I still use multiple mixes and dont want every one to run for the hills here.
But, I do have to watch the faders to see if the faders alter upon making a copy and it does make me a bit paranoid.
Yes Shoosh, I work in multiple copies of files.
WHat tends to happen to me with all of this is that when a file gets big and the mix versions start to get around 5 versions, and I feel things getting close to done, I get more and more reluctant and eventually find myself NOT wanting to use the feature any more. At that point, I just keep mixing without making copies...It is a hell of a nice feature that has numerous benefits if it would be something one could count on. Thus, when I start to just keep mixing without making copies, I find myself lamenting thie fact that I no longer feel confident to make copies.

I have a feeling some of this may be related to 3rd party plug ins not playing as nice as we would like with DP. But why the hell the faders alter is beyond my understanding
Hmm..I have never noticed whether or not having multiple mixes slows the Comp. That would indeed suck.

[aletheian-alex]

Just to ease some people's minds: I just finished a project with 12 mixes... I double checked and no problems here.

[Tim]

So maybe it's fixed in 5.13 ??

[Eleventh Hour Sound]

Dragging chunks to the finder? Where have I been?

I like the way you said "when" things go wrong : )

Workaround: Save multiple mixes in files that are saved as copies, then delete them from the working file. When you need another mix, load it from one of the copies. That is, if you start experiencing crashes or other odd behavior. Until then, nothing is required. Just always save copies, no matter what you're doing. Then you have places to return to when things go wrong.

On second thought, just drag those chunks to the Finder when you've saved multiple copies, then delete. When you need one, drag it back.


Shooshie

[aletheian-alex]

So maybe it's fixed in 5.13 ??

I dunno. I have just thrown up my hands at a few of the nagging bugs in DP5 while I daydream of being first in line for DP6 when it comes out....

[MapleGuitar]

I know this is an old thread, but the problem still exists in DP 8.05.
When I choose Duplicate Mix from the little pop-up menu at the bottom of the Mixing Board window, I can see faders move as soon as the new mix-copy name appears in the pop-up menu.
It doesn't happen every time; but, I'm concerned that we don't know what else may be changing when a mix is duplicated (such as plug settings).
Does anybody know a fix or workaround?