"Archive and Install" with DP, etc?

Resonant Alien · Post by **Resonant Alien** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:18 pm

Has anyone done a successful "Archive and Install" OSX reload with DP? I've always done the clean swipe. Apple says some "3rd party apps" will not reinstall correctly with "Archive and Install"

Tx

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:53 pm

I just did it last week going from 10.4.10 back to 10.4.8. Worked well.

There were some plugins that had to be reinstalled when simply dragging the MAS bundles and AU components back over didn't work. A couple of things had to be reauthorized, but it wasn't as big of a nuisance as I thought even with NI's finicky process. Browser passwords, bookmarks, keychains, etc., all worked fine afterwards.

Backing up is always the order of the day.

Pappy725 · Post by **Pappy725** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:04 am

Frodo,
So why did you revert to 10.4.8? Does X.4.10 not play nice with DP? I"ve got an iPhone and DP 5 to install and I was going to upgrade to X.4.X so I could use all that fun stuff. I'm also curious about the archive and install as opposed to clean install. I've got Thursday off and was going to spend the day installing. I've already cloned my X.3.9 drive to an external for backup. Nervous? A little...
If it ain't broke.....

Stephen

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:59 pm

Pappy725 wrote:Frodo,
So why did you revert to 10.4.8? Does X.4.10 not play nice with DP? I"ve got an iPhone and DP 5 to install and I was going to upgrade to X.4.X so I could use all that fun stuff. I'm also curious about the archive and install as opposed to clean install. I've got Thursday off and was going to spend the day installing. I've already cloned my X.3.9 drive to an external for backup. Nervous? A little...
If it ain't broke.....

Stephen

Hey Stephen--

Don't let my plight scare you too much.

I had an usually difficult time with 10.4.10-- did several installs which didn't solve my particular problems, so I had to start over with the OS that came with my computer. Unfortunately, I had a lot of things I wanted to preserve-- (bookmarks, passwords, etc.). I went for the archive and install for the reversion because Apple recommended it and I knew that if that didn't work could always do a total wipe and a clean install as a last resort. Because I'd wiped the drive twice already, I was no longer convinced it was a solution to why things weren't working properly.

Archiving does just that: it preserves essential OSX data while storing third-party library files in a deactivated Library folder inside the old system folder. This along with cloning the hard drive gave me an extra layer of back up where I could just drag back a needed bundle or component file quickly. In some cases, I simply reinstalled a plugin from scratch-- but it saved a lot of time and so far seemed to work.

To use DP 5.12, I had to update (again) to 10.4.9 on my MacPro, but I'm still wtih 5.11 and 10.4.8 on my PPC. These are proving to be the most stable combos for me on each respective system. A lot of people are quite happy with 10.4.10-- even Magic Dave recommended doing the 10.4.10 COMBO update instead of the OSX Sytem Update. Dunno why mileage varies with OSX SU so much. Hmm.

Generally speaking, the best thing to do is to start from scratch to get a fresh start-- wipe the drive and do a clean install, followed by fresh installations of all software. It's a pain, but at least it's tidy.

Don't be nervous!!!! As long as you've got everything backed up you'll be fine. If you do wipe the drive, a good thing to do would be to create a boot partition for each OS you want to run before you do your installs. That way you have the best of everything with a click of the mouse.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:11 am

Pappy725 wrote:Frodo,
So why did you revert to 10.4.8?.

Simple. 'Cause, in a fit of VI-dreamin' passion, he refused to listen to the apester.

Pappy725 wrote:Nervous? A little...
If it ain't broke.....
Stephen

Wise words indeed, Papster.

PS: Pappy, have you had your 6-monthly smear yet?

[Monkey ducks as the PappyMan returns a freshly-flung poo piece with interest.

]

Pappy725 · Post by **Pappy725** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:36 am

PS: Pappy, have you had your 6-monthly smear yet?

[Monkey ducks as the PappyMan returns a freshly-flung poo piece with interest. ]

As it happens, a drummer I know calls me 'Papschmear'. That being the German pronunciation of that intimate (primate?) feminine exam. My wife, being a nurse, has come home with some funny? stories about some of those exams.

Quick thinking on the ducking motion. (too much compression?)

Anyway, I A&I'd X.4.X last night, no go on the iPhone. It shows in system profiler on the USB bus, but iTunes doesn't see it.

So tomorrow on my day off, I'll drive to the Apple Store in San Antonio and visit the Genius Bar to see what they can do for me.

I'll have a double of whatever you're having, my good Genuis!
Can't wait....
Stephen

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:21 am

The Papster wrote:I'll have a double of whatever you're having, my good Genuis!

Thatsh 12 banana brewsh, comin' up for the Papshitter... I mean, Papshter.

The Papster wrote:Can't wait....

Well, I'll likely have to wait a looong time before I can grab an iPhone, but the multitude of Macoid minions buying the things should ensure sufficient feedback in order for Apple to get this thing to the point where it and Macs sing lullabies to each other.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:15 am

monkey man wrote:
Pappy725 wrote:Frodo,
So why did you revert to 10.4.8?.
Simple. 'Cause, in a fit of VI-dreamin' passion, he refused to listen to the apester.

Pappy725 wrote:Nervous? A little...
If it ain't broke.....
Stephen
Wise words indeed, Papster.

True: if it ain't broke....

But what if it is?

Pappy725 · Post by **Pappy725** » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:37 pm

The problem I had was attributable to the version of iTunes I had on my PB. I had installed it from iLife '06 and updated from there. Trashed that one, and downloaded and reinstalled and all was well. Except that the people at AT&T were telling me I wouldn't get service out here in the boonies of Central Texas. I gave a friend's address in San Antonio as the primary use address and they set me up with the account. I'm 70 miles NW of SA and getting great reception and the data net works 40-50% of the time and it hooks up with my wireless net at home no prob. The gal at AT&T waived the activation fee 'cause I had so much trouble getting hooked up. It is an amazing handheld device.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:22 am

Sort of related to the thread:

I've had problems with Stuffit's crashing the Finder.
Every few years Smith Micro seems to invent a new format.
Most (or at least, a lot) of files on the 'net seem to be in .zip format, especially PC-created ones.

In light of the situation, and in the interests of future compatibility and simple unarchiving, I've been unstuffing my .sit files and zipping them using the Finder's "Create Archive of..." feature.
Embarrassingly, I only noticed that the Mac had this feature "built in" the other day.
At least, I hope it's a Mac feature and not one sneakily inserted into the Finder's file menu by Smith Micro.

Any thoughts?
Is the .zip built in capability likely to be around for a while, or is Stuffit gonna dominate with it's .sits?
I know, I need to get a life.