WWDC Discussions and Teasers

[Frodo]

updates from WDCC should be appearing on the web from about 10 AM PDT starting Monday, Aug 6th.

So, as the first legit teaser here's a sneak peek at a banner that says "Mac OSX Leopard: Introducing Vista 2.0". Should be a lively week of musings.

[Frodo]

More teaser photos:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1941

Note the presence of WIDGETS (yay ) and the precarious 64 bit logo.

Makes ya wonder-- or not.

[mcgwd]

cannot wait, hopefully it will be good news.

widgets ack i trashed mine never used them never will.

[monkey man]

Nice 'photo, Frod's.
Mean resolution.
Now, if we magnify grid-sector H-9...

I'd be tempted to say you were a classic if I wasn't such a sad case myself!

[Frodo]

Nice 'photo, Frod's.
Mean resolution.
Now, if we magnify grid-sector H-9...

I'd be tempted to say you were a classic if I wasn't such a sad case myself!

LOL!! It's all an effort to keep myself entertained!

But, here we are-- the news is already breaking and the info-hungry Appleheads (like myself) are already drooling cautiously over what this all means for DAW users.

[Frodo]

Here it is!!

Steve Jobs' Keynote Address in QuickTime...

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/a ... index.html

[monkey man]

But, here we are-- the news is already breaking and the info-hungry Appleheads (like myself) are already drooling cautiously over what this all means for DAW users.

Even though, in my case at least, I won't be purchasing the machine 'till the money's saved.
Could be a looong time.
Still, it's nice to drool, as where we end up is a consequence of many failed drools.
Besides; the longer you have to wait the better value you get, the more the fire (cough... cough...) in your belly grows, and the better you'll likely use Mr. Jobs' new-fangled technology.
Oh, yeah, and the more time you get to download Frodo's useless tidbits using your 2k modem connection!

[Frodo]

Oh, yeah, and the more time you get to download Frodo's useless tidbits using your 2k modem connection!

LOL!! Useless indeed. Now you know why Hobbits are more likely to stay on the outer fringes of technology. I, too, am holding off despite all the encouraging news.

More time also allows for more unforeseen bugs to be sorted out, making the investment a tad more worth the wait.

I am happy to see that there are more bays for internal drives. I've found SATA more reliable than FW overall. For that reason alone, I'm starting to save my Shire pennies.

[monkey man]

Oh, yeah, and the more time you get to download Frodo's useless tidbits using your 2k modem connection!

LOL!! Useless indeed.

You know I didn't mean it, mate.

I, too, am holding off despite all the encouraging news.

It is encouraging, isn't it?

More time also allows for more unforeseen bugs to be sorted out, making the investment a tad more worth the wait.

Of course; thank you.
I forgot about that one...

I am happy to see that there are more bays for internal drives. I've found SATA more reliable than FW overall. For that reason alone, I'm starting to save my Shire pennies.

Great news.
I knew if I could hold off on a firewire option long enough, something would come up!
Apart from the experience I had with the IBM DeskStar (DeathStar) range some years ago, the SATA experience has been bliss.
Especially so, I think, because I've never bought a defragger!
The SATAs have somehow got me through glitch-free! Touch wood.

[Frodo]

You know I didn't mean it, mate.

Of course not-- but you aren't too far from the truth!!

Great news.
I knew if I could hold off on a firewire option long enough, something would come up!
Apart from the experience I had with the IBM DeskStar (DeathStar) range some years ago, the SATA experience has been bliss.
Especially so, I think, because I've never bought a defragger!
The SATAs have somehow got me through glitch-free! Touch wood.

Yeah-- many have reported occasional FW dropouts, not only with HD's but with interfaces of all sorts. I finally noticed that most of those reporting various dysfunctions up the the DP forum had a lot more FW connected than I do *in general*. They are really pushing their busses, and from some reports, it is possible to fry the FW busses if overworked to an extreme. Sad thing is, I'm not in a position to confirm this once and for all for them, so some things remain under heavy spec and suspicion. I'm still testing the common sense of my own system, but by the time I can post anything definitive on the subject, PPCs will be in the British Museum.

Ah, MM. How nice it is to enjoy the calm AFTER the storm! I really thought that after Reverend Jobs' sermon on Monday that suddenly the entire world and they that dwell therein would completely be so "last week", but I awoke the next day to discover that my system was no worse off after the big announcements than it was the day before.

Happy is he who has what he likes, but happier is he who likes what he has.
~ a new hobbit proverb

[monkey man]

You know I didn't mean it, mate.

Of course not-- but you aren't too far from the truth!!

I know. Scary.

Great news.
I knew if I could hold off on a firewire option long enough, something would come up!
Apart from the experience I had with the IBM DeskStar (DeathStar) range some years ago, the SATA experience has been bliss.
Especially so, I think, because I've never bought a defragger!
The SATAs have somehow got me through glitch-free! Touch wood.

Yeah-- many have reported occasional FW dropouts, not only with HD's but with interfaces of all sorts. I finally noticed that most of those reporting various dysfunctions up the the DP forum had a lot more FW connected than I do *in general*. They are really pushing their busses, and from some reports, it is possible to fry the FW busses if overworked to an extreme.

Yup. I concur.
The PCI & SATA busses have always served me well.
They seem to have more than enough bandwidth for audio.

Of course, firewire's then free for:
1) Clients' audio interfaces.
2) Audio interfaces for secondary rigs running VIs.
3) DSP accelerators.
4) Backup drives (temp connections).
5) Burners.
6) Video cameras. etc. etc.

I really thought that after Reverend Jobs' sermon on Monday that suddenly the entire world and they that dwell therein

Reverend Jobs.

Ah, MM. How nice it is to enjoy the calm AFTER the storm! I really thought that after Reverend Jobs' sermon on Monday that suddenly the entire world and they that dwell therein would completely be so "last week", but I awoke the next day to discover that my system was no worse off after the big announcements than it was the day before.

Good call.
Here in Oz, you can wake up for up to 3 weeks post-sermon and be none-the-wiser, as we tend to have to wait for things...

Happy is he who has what he likes, but happier is he who likes what he has.
~ a new hobbit proverb

A Frodo original. Wonderful.
That one's close to my heart.

If you don't mind, I'd like to keep that one in my collection, Frodo.
Of course, it's for personal use only and therefore respects the Shire's Copyright law.

[James Steele]

I sat up and watched Steve's presentation via QuickTime. (and FINALLY bought QuickTime Pro... which means perhaps QuickTime 8 will be released in a week and I'll have to buy it again).

Anyway, in regards to the new MacPros... when the comparisons were being shown in regard to real world applications and performance gains once figure I saw up on the chart but they glanced over was Final Cut Pro performance gain. It was 1.4x faster. Of course the comparison was a G5 Quad wasn't it, so maybe it's not all that bad. But the people I know who are using a G5 Quad in video production aren't going to go out and buy this machine for a 40% speed gain as far as I know.

Of course Apple listed Logic on that chart as well. I'd be curious to see what DP will do on it and can't wait till someone posts about this here. I think Gary (Timeline) is buying one of the new machines so maybe he'll have a report for us in a week or two.

Oh yeah, 4 drive bays is a good thing.

[Frodo]

I sat up and watched Steve's presentation via QuickTime. (and FINALLY bought QuickTime Pro... which means perhaps QuickTime 8 will be released in a week and I'll have to buy it again).

Of course. Isn't that always the case?

Anyway, in regards to the new MacPros... when the comparisons were being shown in regard to real world applications and performance gains once figure I saw up on the chart but they glanced over was Final Cut Pro performance gain. It was 1.4x faster. Of course the comparison was a G5 Quad wasn't it, so maybe it's not all that bad. But the people I know who are using a G5 Quad in video production aren't going to go out and buy this machine for a 40% speed gain as far as I know.

Of course Apple listed Logic on that chart as well. I'd be curious to see what DP will do on it and can't wait till someone posts about this here. I think Gary (Timeline) is buying one of the new machines so maybe he'll have a report for us in a week or two.

Did you see grimepoch's Logic vs DP tests this morning? Both crashed when pushed but some plugins in Logic out performed DP by an average factor of 3-4 times.

You may also be interested in these two links: Macintouch Geek tests on the Mac Pro and earlier benchmarks on previous Macs:

http://www.macintouch.com/reviews/macpro/prelim.html

http://www.macintouch.com/specialreports/perfpack02/

Oh yeah, 4 drive bays is a good thing.

Well now, that IS something to get excited about. But I do agree that real world tests will tell the story more accurately. No doubt, U-nation will be THE place to be over the next year for such reports on DP performance.

Oh, one thing about those benchmark tests-- the processor was the 2.66. I'd be really interested in seeing reports on the 3 G, personally.

Come to think of it, how long have we waited for Mac to reach the 3 G mark? It was promised on the G5 PPC platform by summer of 2005, but so little fanfare has been made about this new clock threshold having been crossed.

[Frodo]

Happy is he who has what he likes, but happier is he who likes what he has.
~ a new hobbit proverb

A Frodo original. Wonderful.
That one's close to my heart.

If you don't mind, I'd like to keep that one in my collection, Frodo.
Of course, it's for personal use only and therefore respects the Shire's Copyright law.

My Melbourne Friend:

Truth was meant to be shared, tested, and shared again.

Thought I needed to add a more useful "useless musing" to the eqaution!

[James Steele]

Come to think of it, how long have we waited for Mac to reach the 3 G mark? It was promised on the G5 PPC platform by summer of 2005, but so little fanfare has been made about this new clock threshold having been crossed.

I guess because it was supposed to have been crossed on the PPC architecture. In a way it's pretty sad that IBM just didn't care. It seemed PowerPC held lots of promise and was exciting, but it seems like it's an official dead end in microcomputers.

Additionally, you gotta feel for Apple having to struggle and keep going despite being really hamstrung by their chip suppliers. First Motorola screws them and causes them to fall behind, then IBM can't get it together or basically just doesn't care. I guess this is to be expected when IBM apparently cared more about embedded chip type sales and Apple's business was not a big deal to them. Fortunately, Intel seems to have a big stake in the microcomputer area and Apple won't be hamstrung by them.

BTW, it is getting more and more obvious to me (now that I've had a Windows XP machine for a while) just how bad Windows blows. With Vista so late with release and still with the god-awful underpinnings like registries, etc., I guess Micosoft's monopoly is the only reason they stay in business. Honestly, if it weren't out of concern for their hardware business, it seems like if Jobs released OS X to run on Dells, etc. and gave those people a taste of what they're missing they'd bury Redmond.

Also... found it interesting that some people have expressed concern that Logic has more money behind it than DP, hence MOTU can't compete. How much money does Microsoft have and they still can't get Vista released? The comparison Jobs made of how the Mac OS has progressed in the last 5 years and what Apple has accomplished compared to Microsoft's languishing OS is astounding.