Scoring in SONG window

mctmct · Post by **mctmct** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:47 pm

I have a small 5 minute project I need to score. My thought was to drop the Quicktime movie into a sequence Chunk and then drop that into the song window. Then add new sequence chunks for different cues and simply line those up under the sequence containg the movie.

Im getting the idea that Quicktime movies will not playback video from within the song window. As soon as I play-enable the SONG chunk, the quicktime window dissapeers.

The idea of Chunks being used for different cues seems like the logical way to go, but wre do i assemble everything if the SONG chunk won't play back video?

Any suggestions? Am I missing something?

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:46 pm

Can anyone comment on this issue?

Mr_Clifford · Post by **Mr_Clifford** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:11 pm

I tried to do the same thing a while ago. It doesn't work unfortunately. DP won't play back video with a 'song' chunk. - In fact in DP 4.61 it crashes the program if you try.

My workaround for video scoring is to create a 'sequence' the length of the entire video (let's call it "overview") - then create new sequences for the different cues. As each cue is finished I do a bounce and then put the bounce into the "overview" sequence and send it to its original time-stamp so that it goes in the right place.

kelldammit · Post by **kelldammit** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:12 am

hmmm. i'd assumed that the way to really score to picture would be to have a qt movie and its audio track in the song, and then to line up chunks/sequences with that (though i'm not sure how the video would've worked when one is editing one of the chunks)...
so if this is not the way it's done, i'm curious about how different people approach scoring to picture on large projects with zillions of cues, etc??
do you still use song mode?

kell

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:05 am

kelldammit wrote:hmmm. .........
so if this is not the way it's done, i'm curious about how different people approach scoring to picture on large projects with zillions of cues, etc??
do you still use song mode?

kell

Yeah, me too.

[Confession: I've never used song mode! Nothing against it, I've just never had reason to use it to date.]

I found this thread on page 3 or 4 and no one had responded to it. As usual, my curiousity overwhelmed me, so I'm glad you guys have chimed into this so far. Maybe mctmct will be back if he doesn't feel completely dissed by now....

As with most of my late night troubleshooting, Mr_Clifford's approach tends to be closest to what I would have come up with. I would be just as interested if there are any good reasons for there not being an easier way to assemble numerous bits of a larger video/film project.

And if there are no apparent reasons, is it time to send MOTU another note for a feature request? By now I should have letter head in thermal print that includes the line "Dear MOTU, it's me again".

jstaczek · Post by **jstaczek** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:41 am

I wish it were possible to play back the QT in song mode. The bounce to an overview sequence is a pain because I leave everything MIDI until the last second.

I've been assembling cues in the song window, then using "merge chunks to sequence" in the mini-menu to build the overview sequence. One extra step that you shouldn't have to do. Actually three extra steps, because you have to change the tempo control of the merged sequence to "conductor" and manually set the start time of the merged sequence. Pain in the drain.

Jason Staczek
www.chromasound.net

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:40 am

I am absolutely sure that I've heard of people doing video with the Song window. Has it only recently been broken? Maybe they used Mr. Clifford's workaround.

By the way, QuicKeys might speed up that workaround. I haven't tried it, of course, but when you can get QuicKeys to do a sequence of steps for you, it does it 100% accurately, and about as fast as it is possible to carry them out. You might find that the workaround is no problem at all if you use QuicKeys.

Shooshie

homebilly · Post by **homebilly** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:13 pm

load video onto a sequence and spot (chunk 1)

now duplicate sequence and call it (chunk 2) write cue

now duplicate sequence and call it (chunk 3) write cue

now duplicate sequence and call it (chunk 4) write cue

etc.......

bounce your files in each chunk. I usually use the TC as the name.
drop cues onto a MASTER sequence. i use Pro Tools for that as
that is what the audio editor wil need anyway.
done
get paid

stir and repeat

homebilly · Post by **homebilly** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:14 pm

load video onto a sequence and spot (chunk 1)

now duplicate sequence and call it (chunk 2) write cue

now duplicate sequence and call it (chunk 3) write cue

now duplicate sequence and call it (chunk 4) write cue

etc.......

bounce your files in each chunk. I usually use the TC as the name.
drop cues onto a MASTER sequence. i use Pro Tools for that as
that is what the audio editor wil need anyway.
done
get paid

stir and repeat