DP5 first impression .......

[Aramis]

Normally , I am positive in such a situation but tonight I doubt ....

I have installed DP5 aside of DP4.61 and I have loaded my recent project in it .....It does sound as good as in 4.61 but DP5 uses a lot more CPU at the same buffer setting ....So I wonder what is the problem ?
The meter bridge crashes as soon as I select the busses ....
We have listened to the new VI's and it is horrible . My friend comment was , I would never put any of those sounds in my Compositions ....
I had determined that the MX4 was a very nice VI (special) and in my opinion , there is no comparaison with the new VI's in DP5 .

Aramis

[matwell]

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We have listened to the new VI's and it is horrible . My friend comment was , I would never put any of those sounds in my Compositions ...

I don't know if I would classify them as "horrible", but... well, I've posted about this elsewhere. I just hope MOTU didn't spend a lot of time, money and resources on creating these new VI's. If they did, it sure doesn't show. I wish they would have focused more on enhancing DP's feature set. Just my two cents... flame away.

[sdfalk]

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[sdfalk]

There little starter VI's more then anything else.
I'd say they conpare favorably with (better then)
anything included with Cubase, though not up against
anything in Logic.
I've spent (a little) time with them and found it fairly
easy to create pretty decent patches.
Guess it depends on how lazy a person is.
I wouldn't compare them with MX4 at any rate.
Having said that I rather like the included sampler.
Easy on the CPU, drag and drop simplicicity.
I'm using less CPU with DP5 then I am with 4.61.
I'm not sure about your crashing problems though.
The meter bridge has caused me no trouble (yet)
I love the new editing tools, hate the fact that there
appear to be some serious bounce to disk bugs.
Just an empty file after bouncing to disk..that's not good.
I've resorted to recording a mix in real time.
Love the dragging and dropping of audio file to an empty
DP window from the finder, or the soundbites window and having
DP automatically create and name the tracks, love the folder tracks
implementation.
Hmm what else.
Bouncing to mpeg4 is still screwed up, (as is Apples CAF format)
Like the input button on the channel strip,
really like that volume automation is part of the soundbite (or can be.)
They seem to have overhauled the wave editor in DP as well.
Mostly cool (for me) with some stinkers thrown in.
I still don't understand why the cant throw in alternate Frame rates
for post though.
Oh well..I'm happy (mostly)

[chrispick]

Normally , I am positive in such a situation but tonight I doubt ....

I have installed DP5 aside of DP4.61 and I have loaded my recent project in it .....It does sound as good as in 4.61 but DP5 uses a lot more CPU at the same buffer setting ....So I wonder what is the problem ?

DP5 has new studio config settings. Che ck to make sure they're cool.

The meter bridge crashes as soon as I select the busses ....

Others have mentioned bussing problems when porting DP 4+ projects into DP 5. The solution appears to be to delete and re-build preferences and audio bundles.

Not sure why this occurs. I wonder if, with the addition of new input monioring function, old buss routes need to be tweaked.

We have listened to the new VI's and it is horrible . My friend comment was , I would never put any of those sounds in my Compositions ....

That's a bit out of proportion, don't you think. Granted, these new VIs pale in comparison to full-fledged third-party VIs, but they're clearly built to be supplementary tools.

FWIW, I've already used one of the new VIs in a composition job and it worked great.

Anyway, I've posted some free Modulo presets I've built. The link is elsewhere on Unicornation. Feel free to grab them. Maybe one of them will be useful to you?

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11873

I had determined that the MX4 was a very nice VI (special) and in my opinion , there is no comparaison with the new VI's in DP5 .

Again, these DP5 VIs aren't built to be parity competitors with full-fledged VIs. They're lite versions, good for sketches and supplementary stuff.

[Aramis]

Normally , I am positive in such a situation but tonight I doubt ....

I have installed DP5 aside of DP4.61 and I have loaded my recent project in it .....It does sound as good as in 4.61 but DP5 uses a lot more CPU at the same buffer setting ....So I wonder what is the problem ?

DP5 has new studio config settings. Che ck to make sure they're cool.

The meter bridge crashes as soon as I select the busses ....

Others have mentioned bussing problems when porting DP 4+ projects into DP 5. The solution appears to be to delete and re-build preferences and audio bundles.

Not sure why this occurs. I wonder if, with the addition of new input monioring function, old buss routes need to be tweaked.

We have listened to the new VI's and it is horrible . My friend comment was , I would never put any of those sounds in my Compositions ....

That's a bit out of proportion, don't you think. Granted, these new VIs pale in comparison to full-fledged third-party VIs, but they're clearly built to be supplementary tools.

FWIW, I've already used one of the new VIs in a composition job and it worked great.

Anyway, I've posted some free Modulo presets I've built. The link is eslewhere on Unicornation. Feel free to grab them. Maybe one of them will be useful to you?

I had determined that the MX4 was a very nice VI (special) and in my opinion , there is no comparaison with the new VI's in DP5 .

Again, these DP5 VIs aren't built to be parity competitors with full-fledged VIs. They're lite versions, good for sketches and supplementary stuff.

We have to be fare about the people that would like to compare the Vi's on the market and the one included in Logic for example .....
I am used to the one I owned and Motu for me is not adding anything usefull for the price of the upgrade ....
I need a more precise sequencer , less cpu consuming .....and more versatile music piece of software ....nothing else ....

Aramis

[Frodo]

I just tried out DP5 yesterday for the first time and it's good to read about the solutions to some common issues with it. Glad it's not more serious. Having VI's and windows crashing was not encouraging at first, but I've made note of the other thread about properly optimizing one's Mac for software updates.

I've been thinking about the new VI's. I look at it this way-- the other option would have been not to include them at all (as with previous versions of DP). I don't use most of DP's plugins at all-- even Polar!! I have yet to crack that one open in all these years. But I'm glad it's there and am sure that it will come in handy.

There's an old saying that goes: "Twice blessed is help unlooked for". There may be a time when you'll need an extra little something and it just might be one of MOTU's freebies...

[matwell]

True, true. There *is* a lot to like here.

••• Track Folders: a w e s o m e

••• Input Monitoring: for external MIDI gear, this is *so* useful

••• Resizable SE track width: wow, no more abbreviated names!

••• Waveform Editor ruler bar with transport controls: where have you been all my life?

••• New audio editing tools: excellent, even though I rarely use DP for audio recording/editing/mixing.


I have yet to bounce-to-disk, since I have to print my VI's in realtime. I usually just bus all of them to a track.

I haven't had a crash with the Meter Bridge, but if I'm not using any busses in my project, or there are no busses assigned in Audio Bundles, then I get an error when trying to view Busses. That's probably for obvious reasons.

All-in-all, some good, some bad. Kinda like most updates.

[Kazrog]

I'm loving DP5. Total pwnage. The VIs are awesome if you spend time creating patches. You can't expect MOTU to cannibalize MX4 or MachFive, though - be realistic!

[chrispick]

We have to be fare about the people that would like to compare the Vi's on the market and the one included in Logic for example .....
I am used to the one I owned and Motu for me is not adding anything usefull for the price of the upgrade ....
I need a more precise sequencer , less cpu consuming .....and more versatile music piece of software ....nothing else ....

Aramis

Track folders aren't useful to you? The new audio editing tools aren't useful? The new scoring tools aren't useful?

These things were immediate boons for me. And I put them to immediate use. For me, track folders are a godsend -- they've even made the Mixer Window more efficient to deal with. Even the meter bridge, which I though would serve me little advantage, has proven a useful visual overview of input/output flow.

Your mileage may vary, of course. But I tend to disagree with your broad assessment, at least as I understand it.

[Aramis]

We have to be fare about the people that would like to compare the Vi's on the market and the one included in Logic for example .....
I am used to the one I owned and Motu for me is not adding anything usefull for the price of the upgrade ....
I need a more precise sequencer , less cpu consuming .....and more versatile music piece of software ....nothing else ....

Aramis

Track folders aren't useful to you? The new audio editing tools aren't useful? The new scoring tools aren't useful?

These things were immediate boons for me. And I put them to immediate use. For me, track folders are a godsend -- they've even made the Mixer Window more efficient to deal with. Even the meter bridge, which I though would serve me little advantage, has proven a useful visual overview of input/output flow.

Your mileage may vary, of course. But I tend to disagree with your broad assessment, at least as I understand it.

As I said ,
It is my first impressions !!!!
In my opinion , there is million ways to use DP in general .....Each of us are using such a % of it .....So I am not making any jugement of it for you but for me .....

I do not use the same tools in DP as you probably ....

Remember that I did load my 4.61 project in DP5 and wonder simply if it would act the same in it .......And no it was not ......

A very simple compare ...... I swear .....

Aramis

[Shooshie]

The meter bridge crashes as soon as I select the busses ....
Aramis

In my case this happened because I changed the bus bundle while the bus meter was open. For some reason, it's not updating the Meter Bridge display, and it gets lost. The fix was to put the bus bundle back like it was, open the meter bridge to bus meters, close it, and THEN change the bus bundle.

Shooshie

[Shooshie]

Darn those MIDI keys... I was hoping to be able to throw out my Kurzweil, but I tried Chopin's waltz in Db, and I was just missing notes all over the place. What's up with that? This DP5 upgrade was just a waste of time!



Shooshie

[and if there's anyone who wonders if I'm serious, let's talk about real estate in New Orleans. I've got some deals for you...]

[Rush909]

just installed DP5... good news is that CPU usage on a project I was working on dropped from about 80% to like 40%!!! wow! great... bad news is that the included synths are nothing short of horrible! I was actually very shocked as I did not expect them to be this useless... I mean I was not expecting much but I did not think they were going to be this lifeless... They sound very beginner or "simple" kinda like the early days of VIs - like 2 years ago

but seriously this is a GREAT upgrade and MOTU have again outdone themselves with many many needed features... the new "automatic" instrument adding thing is worth upgrading to DP5 alone!

[Shooshie]

I went for a week without even opening the VIs, and was already hooked on the upgrade before I did that, so the VIs were like free toys for me. I actually like them, however. You can get quite a range out of them if you play with them a while. My synth programming goes back to the Yamaha DX days, but has been pretty narrowly channeled down the Yamaha and Kurzweil lines. Maybe some of the other synths out there would have blown me away, but I'm finding a lot to like about these little VIs. I'm getting sounds I've always wanted, but never could find, perhaps because they were already considered to clichéd to include with "modern" synths. I'm glad to have them.

Shooshie