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Well, MOTU did NOT have a presence at AES... Perhaps they're waiting for NAMM... oh yeah, remember NAMM??

RCory wrote:Well, MOTU did NOT have a presence at AES... Perhaps they're waiting for NAMM... oh yeah, remember NAMM??

You mean NAMM as in NAMM 2004 when M5v2 was announced?

Ah-- we're talking NAMM 2007, or would that be NAMM 2008?

RCory wrote:Well, MOTU did NOT have a presence at AES... Perhaps they're waiting for NAMM... oh yeah, remember NAMM??

Yes I expect they will release it then..... ...... .....


.....sorry I just can't say that with a straight face

Frodo wrote:Maybe stats indicate that there are enough M5v1.x users who will stick it out for v2 for MOTU to turn a profit.

The upgrade's been publicised as free (and if you email customer support they tell you that). Everyone upgrading will do so at a cost to MOTU. If MOTU believe that the VI sampler market is too difficult to operate in (ie a low sales-to-marketing cost ratio) it's simply better business to never release v2.

Furthermore if the product's performance or feature set is only so-so in comparison to its competition because the developers are having trouble keeping up it'll never succeed in winning new users who will pay a decent price for it.

If I was MOTU's marketing department, I'd be considering calling it an entirely diffent name and charging everyone. Cigars all round.

Frodo wrote:AFAIK, there are two ways to look at it:

1. M5v2 will never appear-- and/or our beloved MOTU is whethering some type of storm which places v2 low on their list of priorities.

Like the DP UB transition and frantic stability fixes.
Oh, and that new suite of plugs and VIs we've been dreaming about.

Frodo wrote:Okay, I'm a sucker for good underdog and come-back stories. What confuses me is whether or not MOTU was really the undergod or was in a position to *have* to make a come-back.

A Frodian slip, methinks.

Frodo wrote:...with no news from the horse's mouth...

That'd be the Unicorn's mouth, no?

Frodo wrote:...the greater the chances that spec will spew from the horse's backside.

Spew comes from the other end, mate.
Trust me, we Aussies are experts on this.
Something other than monkey-poo to fling? Cool bananas!

Frodo wrote:One of the things I like about this thread is that we're still thinking about M5 in no small way. Now, IF threads about M5 should ever dry up around here, we will be well into defcon 5.

Crikey!
Monkey hurriedly resumes chanting...

Go Machy! K2 Killer! Go Machy! Go Machy!
Go Machy! K2 Killer! Go Machy! Go Machy!

3over3 wrote:

Frodo wrote:Maybe stats indicate that there are enough M5v1.x users who will stick it out for v2 for MOTU to turn a profit.

The upgrade's been publicised as free (and if you email customer support they tell you that). Everyone upgrading will do so at a cost to MOTU. If MOTU believe that the VI sampler market is too difficult to operate in (ie a low sales-to-marketing cost ratio) it's simply better business to never release v2.

Furthermore if the product's performance or feature set is only so-so in comparison to its competition because the developers are having trouble keeping up it'll never succeed in winning new users who will pay a decent price for it.

If I was MOTU's marketing department, I'd be considering calling it an entirely diffent name and charging everyone. Cigars all round.

Yeah, 3--

there was some chat at one time about the freebie policy perhaps changing-- but since we've not heard anything more about the update there's little to go on but spec. If the freebie upgrade still holds legally by virtue of MOTU's published claim from 2004, this may very well be what has backfired in the way of getting v2 released as time has passed.

They certainly can't jack the price of M5 too much, otherwise any edge on K2 will be totally moot.

I'm surprised that the surround features didn't shake more leaves from the trees, but I think that may be my favorite feature to date-- besides that 32b button...

monkey man wrote:

Frodo wrote:Okay, I'm a sucker for good underdog and come-back stories. What confuses me is whether or not MOTU was really the undergod or was in a position to *have* to make a come-back.

A Frodian slip, methinks.

Give that Monkey a 'nana! (There is a touch of DAW worship going on here with this vigil, isn't there?)

monkey man wrote:

Frodo wrote:...with no news from the horse's mouth...

That'd be the Unicorn's mouth, no?

Give that Monkey another 'nana!

monkey man wrote:

Frodo wrote:...the greater the chances that spec will spew from the horse's backside.

Spew comes from the other end, mate.
Trust me, we Aussies are experts on this.
Something other than monkey-poo to fling? Cool bananas!

Point taken-- you are well on your way to an entire bushel!!

I bought Mach5 on the word from Motu that I could easily load GigaStudio, Symphonic, and Ethno files into it.

It turns out, that on a my dedicated Giga PC I can't load any of them at all. I called them and was told to wait for version two. You guys are my beacon light shining through the fog...reminding me to hang tight...everything will happen in due time...and I should remain patient...

I'm joining the sit in...I don't have anything to provide to the gang except for quiet dispair.

Ian

i am monster face wrote:I bought Mach5 on the word from Motu that I could easily load GigaStudio, Symphonic, and Ethno files into it.

It turns out, that on a my dedicated Giga PC I can't load any of them at all. I called them and was told to wait for version two. You guys are my beacon light shining through the fog...reminding me to hang tight...everything will happen in due time...and I should remain patient...

I'm joining the sit in...I don't have anything to provide to the gang except for quiet dispair.

Ian

Ian-- welcome to the cry-in, I mean-- sit-in!

They told you to wait for v2? How long ago was that? I don't suppose they gave you an idea of how long the wait would be, did they? Probably not...

"He will *learn* patience..." ~Ob1 Kenobi

I think that what would really work is for EVERYONE to send MOTU an email with the following:

"MACHFIVE v2: WHY ARE WE WAITING?"

That's it. Imagine, if they got 10,000 emails in one day with that..... maybe they'd wake up and smell the dollars.....but then, maybe not. Gotta say, customer communication concerning products at Motu is a disaster.
I had to go buy Plugsound Pro since I got the new UB mac pro, and just can't wait for these people to get their act together anymore. this is rediculous. I may just go back into "Tanya" mode here....., get all subversive on their lethargic asses, so to speak.

But then, we must be polite, shouldn't we? naaa....

I am monster face is the ideal sit-in candidate.
Go you good thing, Ian!

Hellcat, mellow out, man; we just have to acknowledge that we're, er, helpless.
Once a Unicorn recognises his "impotence" in such matters, he is free again to drink, eat and be merry Christmas. I mean, "merry".
Did someone say Christmas? I've heard it's coming...
Could be a decent party this, at least in terms of length.
OK, the company's not bad either.

Fokov, may I grab another stubbie? (Aussie for "pint-sized" bottle o' beer).
Thanks, mate; I've got a bushel of bananas to wash down.
BTW, Frods, is this the "64 U.S. pints (equivalent to 35.2 litres)" or the "8 imperial gallons (equivalent to 36.4 litres)" bushel?
There's a 1.2 litre difference, and I'm a pro.
I want to make sure I mix the correct amount of Fokov's brew for maximum yeast-feeding effect.

Thanks sooo much for the 'nanas, BTW; your buffet's now safe for the moment...
Doh! I just realised this party'll have to end when Machy comes along.
I'm havin' too much fun, so whoever wants to hang for a bit (no doubt in a state of bewilderment at the sudden appearance of MV2), I'll be here.
It's kinda like at the movies; I can't simply get up and leave the minute the flick's over.
I mean, it takes time to savour the journey back to reality.
In this case, it'll take time to appreciate the journey into Machy fantasy.

Cheers, 'Corners; I'll be over by the fire. Bloated.
M

You guys are great, and you've made the long, long wait for M5 v2 more bearable over these hot, cold, hot, and then cold again days.

But what if it's true that the wonderful MOTU just can't be bothered / don't think they'll turn out a profit from bothering to release version 2 of Mach Five?

When I bought the great, but out of date Mach Five, it was on the assurance from my shop that I would be getting a free upgrade to v2. Following that, I had another assurance from the UK suppliers that I would indeed be getting a free upgrade to the massively improved version 2.

If version 2 truly is perpetual vapourware (and it's beginning to look like maybe it will never ever see the light of day), what - if any - recourse might I have with the three companies who sell it / make it / distribute it, all of who assured me in writing that I would get the new and great update?

I don't wish to be negative about MOTU, but how could such an impressive company fall foul of even the most basic courtesy of keeping their valuable customers in the loop about one of their most important software releases?

It pains me to say it, but there is absolutely no question as to whether I will be spending another Pound, Euro or Dollar on a MOTU product, however brilliant it sounds or looks.

And I suppose that's a shame for me and for MOTU.

It is something to consider when a loyal customer decides to no longer support a company no matter what they come out with simply because of the M5v2 syndrome. I don't know that they are that worried about how many customers they may be losing-- but with no newsletter or any announcements at all, it's hard to not question whether they should be concerned.

Of their M5 customers, there are three types I've identified--

1.Those who are tired of waiting for M5 but will get it anyway.
2. Those who are tired of waiting for M5 and have defected for good.

I'm sure there are tons of categories in between, but those are the basics. It's safe to say that category one will likely constitute a larger number.

But here's a thought for you--

What if MOTU didn't put out v2 at all-- and released v3? In terms of free vs upgrade fee, I smell loophole... sort of...

Frodo wrote:
Of their M5 customers, there are three types I've identified--

1.Those who are tired of waiting for M5 but will get it anyway.
2. Those who are tired of waiting for M5 and have defected for good.

...

And they said hobbits couldn't count!

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:

Frodo wrote:
Of their M5 customers, there are three types I've identified--

1.Those who are tired of waiting for M5 but will get it anyway.
2. Those who are tired of waiting for M5 and have defected for good.

...

And they said hobbits couldn't count!

"They" are always right!

Okay-- let's do what motu did-- skip version 2!

Type Three Sit-in-- sign up right here....!!LOL

add to the list those who are not waiting for M5 at all.