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FutureLegends wrote:How do you do that? Do you send it to outboards through sends? Inserts? and then back into the interface?

Lets say you want to use compression on a vocal track [Mary's Vox]. Set the output of [Mary's Vox] to a free output say [Apogee 6 out]. Connect that OUT to the compressor's IN, compressor's OUT to a free input say [Apogee 6 in]. Add a new mono track [Mary's Vox w/copression] and record that track (with input set to [Apogee 6 in]).

If I want to listen with zero latency, I have a small impulse file I use for a marker. I made it with the pencil tool in the waveform editor (it's 2 samples wide). Simply paste it at the beginning or end of the track in question (on a marker) and nudge the track in time until the signal coming back from the outboard gear has a pulse that lines up with the marker. When finished use "move to original timestamp" to get back where you started. A while back someone had a method using a plugin latency tool, but I find this just as easy.

Unfortunately it's probably a good idea to get that patch bay hooked up.

Phil

But neither me nor my studio partner have the knowledge how to do it and we both suck at soldering.

you know a lot of people use telephone punch blocks mounted inside each rack.
Completely eliminates the need for soldering ..
Allows for more custom cable lengths too.
AND if you rewire the side going to the console / patch bay .. you don't have to rewire the side going to your outboard gear .. and vice versa

Hope this helps ..
Jeff

Lookinnn wrote: You stated that you hear audio when channels are muted
Do you hear audio even when tracks are not record enabled ?
Is this because cuemix is sending the audio to the outputs?
how do i disable cuemix.

I think that if I muted the tracks in DP the became silent. But it awkward to have to go between the apps.
What I think happens is that DP controls CueMix to a certain extent when in Direct Hardware monitoring mode. They co-exist in a weird way then...

Lookinnn wrote: ALSO: i totally don't understand cuemix at all ..
where is the damn record button ? haha ..
am is supposed to run cuemix and dp at the same time ?
i'm lost .. the manual has ONE entry for cuemix and its ONE sentence geez ..

It took me years before I could wrap my mind around CueMix and get it!
It was not until now when we really needed it that I had to learn it. But still there's som uncertainties...
What's important to think about is that it only controls audio coming IN to the interface. That's in as into the actual inputs not via FW/audiowire from the computer.

Radiogal wrote:Wow, great response guys.. first of all about mixing on a mixingdesk and second all those fellow swedes I didn´t know existed using DP too...
We should organize a DP meeting someday, shouldn´t we?
Imagine all the tips and tricks we could share IRL.

That could be fun! Should gather the few of us using it here...
The DP Guerilla of sweden
Sweden MIDI Music is really doing an awful job promoting DP here. Seems like the MOTU hardware is becoming a less common sight in the music stores too... MOTU need to change distributor here...

Thanks Phil!

Seems a bit too convoluted for my taste though... And the only free inputs I have are on the 2408 and I don't really trust them for some reason. But maybe once you do it a couple of times it feels natural...
Is there no plug-in that sends it to an output and then back in on the same channel with adjustable delay compensation?

Phil O wrote:Unfortunately it's probably a good idea to get that patch bay hooked up.

Yup. But the thought of spending hours soldering doesn't appeal to me for some reason

Lookinnn wrote:you know a lot of people use telephone punch blocks mounted inside each rack.
Completely eliminates the need for soldering ..

'Unfortunately' we already have a bunch of bantam patchbays. But there was some kinda block thing my stutio partner salvaged from his dayjob. Hopefully we can use that somehow. Just need to figure out how's that configured first though

FutureLegends wrote:Is there no plug-in that sends it to an output and then back in on the same channel with adjustable delay compensation?

Yeah there was another thread around here that talked about it:

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... er&start=0


Phil

Mo matter how hard I tried, I could not get my head wrapped around CueMix. For years I simply gave up on it and used my outboard mixer as a glorified zero-latency monitoring console.

The final straw was when I installed the Furman HRM-16/HDS-16 cue system. In order to fully utilize the the 8 mono and 8 stereo feeds the Furman system offers, I had to go back to square one, crack open the PCI424 manual and study.

The main "revelation" for me came when I finally got it through my head that each output in your MOTU rig has it's own complete mixer in CueMix.
For example: I have a MOTU 24io. For the 24io there are twelve pairs of outputs that show up in the CueMix list. If you select any one of the output pairs from the list, an entire mixer pops up showing all of your available input channels.

During tracking:
Let's say I want to send a zero latency feed of the Bass Guitar to the Furman Cue system on channel one (of the furman Cue system)- I open CueMix, press the Mix selector button at the far right side of the Cuemix console and select output pair 1-2 from the list of available outputs. I go to the input channel that the Bass guitar is patched to (let's say I've got the bass guitar preamp output plugged into channel #16 of the 24io), un-mute the #16 fader and pan it to the left.

LORD! That even sounds complicated to me when I read it back!

But it's not- really! Just imagine that for each output from your MOTU rig, there is a corresponding "virtual mixer" equipped with ALL the available intputs to your system.

Let that sink in for a minute.

And that each of those mixers is on a different "page" of your CueMix console (a "page" for each output pair). Each mixer operates separately and independantly from the others. Want a different output pair? Simply click on the Mix selector at the far right side of the Cuemix console, and list of available output pairs pops up. That list even shows how many inputs are enabled per outout pair.

Among the CueMix features, there is a "fly-over" list of key modifier functions on the "Message center" at the upper left corner of the CueMix console- things like shift/command, alt command or control/command that mutes or unmutes all inputs, causes faders (or pans, or gains etc) to work in pairs or globally, and things like that.
I'd encourage you to experiment with these as they can be a real help when you need them.

I don't know why it was so hard for me to get my head wrapped around CueMix. I'm coming at this from the artist/performer direction and I had to set time aside and dig in with a determination that no matter what, I WAS going to learn CueMix. It took several long sessions to get a grasp on the concepts in CueMix.

And yes, it is an unfortunate fact that there are the only five pages of CueMix documentation available in the PCI424 system manual.
Having finally learned it, I've come to the conclusion that CueMix is such a powerful tool it warrants it's own chapter in the DP manual.

Theres a Cuemix vid that came with my PCI-424e card.
I haven't watched it yet but if theres anything on it related to learning I'll post it for ya.

Heres the Getting started with Cuemix vid.
https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php? ... MEpFQlE9PQ
If you've never seen it you may want to download it although its 95mb.
It looks pretty good and detailed.

Great thread guys (and gal), topped off with a perfect, succinct tutorial from Renaissance Man. What a community we have here at UN!

PS: I'd love to join y'all in Sweden, but I'm afraid it's a long, long trip from So Cal.

wylie1 wrote:Heres the Getting started with Cuemix vid.
https://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php? ... MEpFQlE9PQ
If you've never seen it you may want to download it although its 95mb.
It looks pretty good and detailed.

Thanks! Downloading now. My CueMix manual is what came with my 1296 interface and that's ages (and many versions) ago...
Hopefully I pick up something from the vid...

cheers!

HCMarkus wrote:PS: I'd love to join y'all in Sweden, but I'm afraid it's a long, long trip from So Cal.

Better hurry! Soon it's gonna be cold and daaaaark (just a few hours of daylight per day in winter) here! The darkness especially is murder. For someone like me that work nights, sometimes it can pass a week without hardly seeing the daylight at all. Drives you nuts. Although it almost never gets dark in the summer but summer is short. Everything is expensive too. Can't really recommend going here

That vid was mainly related to CueMix FX but interesting nonetheless. There's a few nice things in CueMix that could be incorprated into DP methinks!
Would love that visual EQ and Comp in the channelstrips for example!
Also wish you could control CueMix's Talkback function from within DP too...

I've never used Cuemix but if I'm going to go mixerless its something I've got to learn.
Interesting how it can be applied to a live environment.
Sure would feel out of place at a gig with out a mixer though.