Best reverb plugin for DP 5?

[Shooshie]

If I'm not mistaken, they use a gunshot sound to sample the space. By recording the returns, Altiverb is then able to calculate the "shape" of all the sound minus the original impulse (the shot). Then when you play your sound through it, it recreates those same impulse returns for each wave generated by your original sound. It's practically identical to being there.


Shooshie

[auptown]

I got Wizooverb installed, in fact I installed it on my laptop also -- the authorization is done by entering a code and getting an auth program from the web. Very easy.

So far, after a little bit of listening, I am impressed with the sounds -- realistic AND lush. Some of the cathedrals and halls are gorgeous.

Haven't tried loading impulse respones yet, but I will. In fact, I am going to try my hand with recording an IR (really just a swept sine wave) and loading it.

But so far I am very happy with this verb.

[eriknorlander]

Ordinarily I'm not the sort of guy who tries to entice people into buying stuff. [snip]

Thanks for the recommendation, Shooshie. You bring home my statement about how everyone I know that uses Altiverb loves Alitverb. It's a bit like Lexus owners, I think. I definitely don't do the dry techno stuff -- I'm all about the dinosaur rock 'n' roll. (sorry, that was the best emoticon I could find.) So I shall certainly give this Altiverb a spin when I have a moment.

As far the concept of sampling vs. convolution vs. modeling ... etc. I believe all of those techniques involve the recording of some kind of "sample" or recording of the thing being re-created. My understanding of convolution reverb is that one plays an "impulse" (aka, I think, a single - sample burst with all frequencies at equal volume) and then the convolution / modeling / sampling / replicating / emulating / re-do-ing software analyzes what is heard back from the room, hardware unit, etc. Then rather than playing back an actual sample like an Akai S1000, it uses its generated algorithm to sound like that effect. It's a great idea.

I'm encouraged by Altiverb's sampling (or whatever you call it) of real spaces. I'm a lot more skeptical about the sampling of hardware devices. I've done a lot of "traditional" sampling in my years (you know, like Akai S1000 sampling), and even with maximum care, skill and experience, a sampled instrument still never really can replace the source instrument. Okay, it may actually be better than the source instrument, in some cases , but it's always different. YMMV, but that's my experience.

Best regards,
Erik

[Frodo]

I'm a lot more skeptical about the sampling of hardware devices. I've done a lot of "traditional" sampling in my years (you know, like Akai S1000 sampling), and even with maximum care, skill and experience, a sampled instrument still never really can replace the source instrument. Okay, it may actually be better than the source instrument, in some cases , but it's always different. YMMV, but that's my experience.

Best regards,
Erik

Ya know, Erik, there *are* bad IR's floating around, and there are good ones, too. It may take some searching, but it's very easy to blame a convo-verb itself for a badly sampled impulse response.

Hopefully, user expertise or user error can be judged apart from the host convoluter itself.

[David Polich]

Someone asked whether Digidesign will continue to support Wizooverb.

My guess is no, they're dropping it, or it will become available in RTAS and TDM only, possibly with a new name.

But even so, at 99 bucks it's a steal.

One caveat - yesterday Wizooverb reverted to "demo" mode for me, and I had to go grab the authorization certificate from the URL and re-authorize it.
I don't what this means exactly - it reverted to demo mode a year to the day from when I installed it, so maybe the authorization only lasts a year?...

I've e-mailed Digi about it, hopefully they'll get back to me...

[eriknorlander]

Ya know, Erik, there *are* bad IR's floating around, and there are good ones, too. It may take some searching, but it's very easy to blame a convo-verb itself for a badly sampled impulse response.

Hopefully, user expertise or user error can be judged apart from the host convoluter itself.

You are surely right, Frodo. I haven't really ventured into the IR pool yet, so my thoughts of optimism and skepticism are purely based on hypotheses at this point and definitely not on any real experience with convolution reverb. But I know there is something cool there -- all of you guys wouldn't be talking about it so positively if the emperor really had no clothes.

Best regards,
Erik

[Shooshie]

But I know there is something cool there -- all of you guys wouldn't be talking about it so positively if the emperor really had no clothes.

Ya got THAT right. In the case of Altiverb, it's the emPRESS who has no clothes, and she's a babe!

I can't recall ever being so enamored with a friggin' piece of software! But I've always been a reverb/hall nut--the sort who will spend the entire first evening of a recording session just placing the mics.


Shoosh

[emulatorloo]

However, I *am* intrigued by what they say on the M-Audio site:

"WizooVerb W2 owners can import the wealth of standard third-party IR files in existence."

Has anyone done this? How well does this work with the W2? Is there a *standard* IR file format? (Sorry, I'm late getting into convolution apps for the usual reasons -- expensive and CPU taxing, etc.) I found this site:

http://noisevault.com/nv/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=29

Yes I have imported impulses from Noisevault into WizooVerb. It is easy and explained in the manual.



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[monkey man]

It says on the tin to "rinse and repeat", so here goes...

I know it's not native, but how come nobody's mentioned ClassicVerb?
It's smooth and the ER engine rocks.

I mean, y'all have mentioned UA's DreamVerb and Plate algorithm.
Fair go, cob.

[Splinter]

Gotcha, Chris. We're on the same page. I thought you knew better, I just wasn't tracking with you before.

[Noam]

Thanks all for the tips and leads. Just ordered wizooverb. I'm also looking at this low end t.c.ectronic piece
http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=7653
It will work stand alone but has a software driver that , if I've got it right, will show with a plugin type interface to use with your DAW. All for a working-man's $200. I know they make some high end reverbs and was hoping for some decent trickle down algorithems. It would be nice to have an affordable verb to use for tracking and PA use as well as a cpu free verb for mixing. Anyone tried this ??

-noam

[emulatorloo]

Thanks all for the tips and leads. Just ordered wizooverb. I'm also looking at this low end t.c.ectronic piece
http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=7653
It will work stand alone but has a software driver that , if I've got it right, will show with a plugin type interface to use with your DAW. All for a working-man's $200.

lexicon has a hardware reverb w a similar "plug-in" set up, connected to your computer via USB -- but once I dug past the marketing and into researching it I realized that the "plug in" was basically just a remote control. . .you still needed to set up send/return through your hardware mixer using the analog or digital outs/ins, as audio was not passed thru the USB port. I cant figure out on first glance if that is the same case here or not. But maybe so, cuz they call it an "AU compatible editor"

I love WIZOO verb -- hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

[Mr_Clifford]

Damn you guys!!!

All this talk about Altiverb, so I downloaded the demo and tried it.

And it's good, real good! So now I have to buy it, don't I.

Damn you guys...

[naro]

i've found a free convolution reverb,it's Tconvolution.You must have the free pluggojunior and found impulse response.

http://www.zippernoise.net/data/

http://www.cycling74.com/downloads/pluggo

[Splinter]

Damn you guys!!!

All this talk about Altiverb, so I downloaded the demo and tried it.

And it's good, real good! So now I have to buy it, don't I.

Damn you guys...

Sucka Yes, Altiverb is amazing and AudioEase has made suckers of us all. For that I'm very appreciative. They are a great company to boot and have always been big supporters of MAS. In fact I believe they are consummate users of DP and use MOTU sofware and hardware.