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Shooshie wrote:

buddhabelly wrote:Then there is something I don't understand about what you're asking. Editing velocities in DP seems the same to me except for the added tools for drawing, like the parabolas, random ramps etc. I think Logic's transform window is they're answer for that, but it's not as direct as just drawing the shape.

Guess I'm not that advanced of a user for either since I don't get it. Oh well, I still get what I need done I guess.

Yes, our needs are different, and I think that's the problem with people making comparisons about their favorite DAWs. In the end, what matters is whether you get your work done without a lot of interruptions and troubleshooting. I have trouble making die-hard Logic fans understand my need for detailed velocity and controller shaping. Maybe it would help if I posted screenshots of what I do, and then it might make more sense.

Put simply: DP's capabilities in this regard put the competition to shame. Those who do not work at this level of detail don't see the difference, but it's night/day. I'm creating performances that ideally simulate actual players on real instruments: their breathing, their lip movements, their hand movements, the swing of a bowing arm. These are not simple adjustments or straight-line moves, though you can get away with a few lesser-detailed moves if they're surrounded by more realistic ones.

DP gives us the tools to record, edit, create and adjust those lines without sacrificing the detail. Though I'm still waiting to see evidence to the contrary, my current conclusion about Logic is that it simply does not make that easy. It can be done, but at a fraction of DP's efficiency.

Shooshie

PS: James, I think this 'Logic tutorial' was valuable, for once again it has confirmed DP's lead in this area. Logic just isn't in the ballpark with DP as regards phrasing large amounts of velocity or continuous data. I will post screenshots of what I do in DP when I get the chance. I have to find some good examples that really illustrate it, and that will only happen while I'm working in DP. At some point I'm going to make a movie of it so that people can see the differences in action. People who do not know the depths of DP do not understand WHY it's better, and comparisons like this one really do give us the opportunity to make that better understood.

buddhabelly wrote:Let me try to make it clearer. There is a command to learn a MIDI controller from your keyboard. For my example I'm using the mod wheel. You set this to be the quick automation controller, allowing you to 'perform' the host automation using the mod wheel on your keyboard. It would be great in DP for plugs that don't support MIDI learn for example.

Here is the entry in the logic manual:

Using Automation Quick Access
The Automation Quick Access feature makes track automation extremely fast and simple if you only have one hardware MIDI controller available (one fader on your MIDI keyboard, or maybe just the modulation wheel). You can use this single hardware controller to access (and automate) the currently active automation parameter of the selected track in the Arrange window.

buddhabelly wrote:Thanks for confirming. BTW, I still listen to the CINEMATIC album pretty frequently. Thanks for that.

James Steele wrote:We'll certainly see? Is there a Record/Reason online forum where I can go and post about how great DP is?

dougieb wrote:
One thing that is interesting and probably needs attention is Guitar Gaz's observation that programs like this and GarageBand are sucking up all of the new users and those new users may never get to the point that they find out about DP. This is kind of a catch-22... I don't really want MOTU to do a "DP Express" or "DP Lite" because I think that would distract from the main event, however they have to be thinking about the future from a business perspective. Where are the new users going to be? and if there aren't new users, are there enough of us to keep the updates coming?