MOTU, Please give us some DP6 GUI options

billf · Post by **billf** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:35 pm

zed wrote:
tommymandel wrote:bOing - I think that motu's trying to answer our prayers for more 'snappier' performance by lightening the video load, with the 2D retrocity...
I'm not buying this argument. With the speed of our computers and video cards these days the tiniest fraction of a fraction longer it might take to load an image with more colours is extremely negligible, I would think. For these portions of the DP interface which are PNG images, I would hardly think that there is any humanly noticeable difference in loading a 3D image versus a 1 or 2 colour image... and even more so once the image is loaded. Snappier? I don't believe it.

I've noted it before, 3d is on the web, which means if it can work with the myriad of connection speeds on the internets, modern computer busses have no problem with it. So 3d is not the cause of the performance problems with DP.

The CPU hits are going to be caused by factors such as data crunching, file sizes, drive sizes, those sorts of things. But the biggest factor was most likely old code that carried over from the OS9 to OSX conversion, then from the PPC to Intel conversion.

Mr. Quimper · Post by **Mr. Quimper** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:45 pm

billf wrote:I've noted it before, 3d is on the web, which means if it can work with the myriad of connection speeds on the internets, modern computer busses have no problem with it. So 3d is not the cause of the performance problems with DP.

Well, true that there is VRML and things you could do in Flash for the web, but really there's nothing more 3D in DP5 than there is in 6 - they're all just 2D image files, some just give the illusion of 3D depth as in 5, less so in 6. There's no real time rendering of 3D objects going on -- that would waste a lot of processing power!

midiac2 · Post by **midiac2** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:46 pm

OMG!!!

THAT looks great???

Guess it's a matter of opinion. Personally I think you've taken a beautiful interface and made it hideous. Better than some of the earlier posts I've seen, which isn't saying much, but honestly You all are complaining about nothing! Simply because you need SOMETHING to complain about. Just installed DP6, expecting to be squinting at the glare from all the negative comments, and was instead relieved that I was really impressed with the new look.

But that's just me

tripit@earthlink.net · Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:34 pm

midiac2 wrote:OMG!!!

THAT looks great???

Guess it's a matter of opinion. Personally I think you've taken a beautiful interface and made it hideous. Better than some of the earlier posts I've seen, which isn't saying much, but honestly You all are complaining about nothing! Simply because you need SOMETHING to complain about. Just installed DP6, expecting to be squinting at the glare from all the negative comments, and was instead relieved that I was really impressed with the new look.

But that's just me

No, I don't need anything to complain about. I never complained about the GUI in 4 or 5. Believe me, I would much rather not have anything to complain about. I spent several hours on DP6 and it was really harsh on my eyes. Considering that I spend up to 12 hours on DP on many days, that's a serious issue.
Now I'm going to have to call OSHA!!!

tommymandel · Post by **tommymandel** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:52 pm

RecordingArts wrote:
I see some green audio in one of your meters. How did you do that? (For the uninitiated)

Member billf started the thread at this URL:

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... sc&start=0

A follow up, about 3 pages into that thread, spelling out how to make the audio meters green again, was posted by another member:

wurliuchi wrote:
To change the meters in the Meter Bridge back to the green color of DP5 and the background to black:

Change the "kMeterActiveColor" color values to 23:255:0

and the "kMeterBackgroundColor" color values to 0:0:0

Ah, that's better. I can see it from across the room.

BUT, as billf pointed out, first you have to find (and backup) an .xml file in your Library, and then edit and save it with the text above.

There's also a specific post possibly earlier in the same thread, I think by grimepoch, with the exact numbers to enter too.

billf · Post by **billf** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:51 pm

Mr. Quimper wrote:
billf wrote:I've noted it before, 3d is on the web, which means if it can work with the myriad of connection speeds on the internets, modern computer busses have no problem with it. So 3d is not the cause of the performance problems with DP.
Well, true that there is VRML and things you could do in Flash for the web, but really there's nothing more 3D in DP5 than there is in 6 - they're all just 2D image files, some just give the illusion of 3D depth as in 5, less so in 6. There's no real time rendering of 3D objects going on -- that would waste a lot of processing power!

Exactly. We should put the 3d DP myth on Snopes.

dewdman42 · Post by **dewdman42** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:07 pm

I have to say that is the most god awful gui I have ever seen from MOTU and I will definitely not be throwing any cash down for it until I see an improvement. Really terrible job, however they hired for GUI design sucks.

midiac2 · Post by **midiac2** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:22 pm

Well that's a bit harsh, and foolish, considering all the added features, your loss

dewdman42 · Post by **dewdman42** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:25 pm

Yes, that's how bad it is. I would rather miss those new features then put up with a crappy gui like that. Sorry to be harsh, but they blew it.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:27 pm

midiac2 wrote:Well that's a bit harsh, and foolish, considering all the added features, your loss

My reaction seeing it (the GUI) posted as picts on Unicornation was the same as dewdman42. After getting my copy, it really isn't so bad. You have to look at the big picture. For me, that includes the functions of the program and for the most part, DP 6 functions well.

We are such creatures of habit. Change a few things and we get disoriented and/or angry. I was there about 2 weeks ago. Now I'm close to back to 'normal' in DP 6. I miss the old interface and do prefer it, but I like what my ears are hearing and that I am not crashing or getting file errors. Those are much more important to me than the color of the bgr. IMO.

dewdman42 · Post by **dewdman42** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:31 pm

I hear what you're saying, but I'm not going to buy it. Sorry, they lost my business. If they fix it I will buy it.

nk_e · Post by **nk_e** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:22 am

Just installed my copy last night. Immediate reaction to the GUI:

Love the new "retro future" look. I think it is clean and fairly easy to navigate and use.

MOTU MUST provide a way to tone down the brightness a bit though or give some options in that area. With a dual monitor set up and DP windows on both, A LOT of light gets thrown out for sure.

End of the world? Hell no. Just a need for a minor tweak.

Overall I think the new GUI is nicely done.

dpdan · Post by **dpdan** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:14 pm

dewdman42, I totally understand how you feel, I bought it and it is running smooth, I don't regret going with the update, but I too must say that it is very evident that some things like the faders got finished before the release, but most everything else didn't.

I just loaded up a DP 5.13 mix that I am working on and the little green progress bar that gets displayed in the middle of the desktop as the file is opening is atrocious. I just can't believe as elegant as DP has always been, that they would even think to release this in this condition before it is even close to being finished. Nobody in their right mind would be honest and admit that it's finished.
The newer style is fine, but come on, finish the GUI. The soundbites in the SE window gives my eyes an eye-ache unless the color is dark, no matter which of the three options I choose for colors arrangement.

This just blows my mind. The past month I have been reading all the complaints about how hideous the GUI is, I kept thinking to myself...
"gee unicorns,,, give it up, it can't be that bad". I was wrong ... they were right.
I still love this app, but never before have I said so many times in a minute..., what were they thinking?

here are some drastic comparisons....

This is what it looks like when someone spends some time and effort.

a sad dpDan

martian · Post by **martian** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:58 am

i really prefer the fact that the progress bar glows green -

I also appreciate the fact that it sems to work better than the old one - which didn't look that elegant when it "forgot" to display the actual progress...

the only improvements I would like are practical ones...

display of gain in the actual soundbite

no replacement of letters with '-" when displaying shortened names

maybe some peoples mon's are set overlly bright?

oh no it's the end of the world......

Tritonemusic · Post by **Tritonemusic** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:18 am

dpdan wrote:what were they thinking?

here are some drastic comparisons....

a sad dpDan

Those pictures really say it all. I still can't believe it.