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Well.. being able to mute MIDI notes and MIDI regions would be a very nice implementation.

....was just asking if something new in the DP8 MIDI management.

antongiulio wrote:....was just asking if something new in the DP8 MIDI management.

La penso esattamente come te Se si usano diverse tracce MIDI con relativi V.I. si hanno un sacco di tracce aperte, e anch'io preferirei aprire solo la traccia del V.I. e assegnarli l'uscita che voglio

Well, I can think of many improvements to MIDI that could be made, but none of the ones here strike me as useful. Many of the MIDI improvements I want can't be found in any other DAW either. The one thing is, MIDI regions... I don't really care about muting or anything else, however, if there were MIDI regions, then there would be a platform for take comping.

Things I think would make MIDI/editing much nicer (but probably will never happen):

- MIDI Take Comping
- The ability to use the overdub function the same way it does with audio (auto create new takes)
- Virtual linear MIDI data: MIDI data is always made up of points, but DP tries to approximate it with lines. Unfortunately, it's a very rudimentary overlay. I'd like to see a mode where there are virtual lines that are edited exactly like audio automation, though they output MIDI data points on the fly.
- Bezier curves and handles
- JavaScript expression language for creating sophisticated and easy-to-manage automation

dado wrote:

antongiulio wrote:....was just asking if something new in the DP8 MIDI management.

La penso esattamente come te Se si usano diverse tracce MIDI con relativi V.I. si hanno un sacco di tracce aperte, e anch'io preferirei aprire solo la traccia del V.I. e assegnarli l'uscita che voglio

Exactly, and when i'm working on orchestral mockups i have almost 50 V.I. loaded so 100 tracks.......anyway, maybe the next DP version.......

50 VIs? 50? hmmm ...

Sometimes, when MIDI track output assignments are lost (in italics), it would be nice to use bundles to re-link. Doing this one track at a time seems unnecessarily tedious.

I'd like to see an update to the bundles window that allows en mass rerouting of MIDI track outputs to devices/groups or VI's-- in the same way you can with audio.

I'd also like to have them fix lasso selection in the MIDI graphic editor so that there is absolutely no "auto fixing". Let me lasso what I want without DP assuming that I wanted to include or not include something. Just let my lasso do what I want it to do. (BTW, I have RTFM, and haven't found a way to disable this).

And finally, there are some MIDI and tempo edit modes where the screen icons for events are so tiny they are quite difficult to work with. Might be nice to be able to size them for more easy editing.

bayswater wrote:50 VIs? 50? hmmm ...

....yes and maybe more, consider just VSL player is almost able to manage full articulations for instruments but for almost all the other players i need to load separate articulations for each instrument, that mean lot of tracks.

antongiulio wrote:Exactly, and when i'm working on orchestral mockups i have almost 50 V.I. loaded so 100 tracks.......anyway, maybe the next DP version.......

Actually, yeah, I'll buy that. Back when I did more orchestral type work, I used to have around 32 patches loaded. But I wasn't doing 1 per instrument/articulation! Usually I would have one VI shell (Kontakt/Play) for every section. At the very most, if I wanted to get really detailed, one VI for each instrument, but that's still only about 12-16. 50 MIDI track I could buy, but not 50 VIs.

I'd like to see the computer that can handle 50 individual VIs all playing at once. Hell, I'd like to see the hard drive that can stream that! Especially high quality ones.

Prime Mover wrote:Things I think would make MIDI/editing much nicer (but probably will never happen):

- MIDI Take Comping

The reason MOTU does not offer MIDI Take Comping is because the Tracks Overview Window already gives you this capability, just not all wrapped up with a bow on it. Essentially, in the TOW, you see your takes (individual tracks), and you can select a region and drag it to the main track. Understand that to make a new "take," you hit COMMAND-CONTROL-S, for "Similar track", and you get a new track exactly like the one you've been working in, only blank. That becomes your new take.

Once you've got a number of these tracks lined up, you can select regions in each of them individually, then CONTROL-SPACEBAR to play the selected region. At that point it's easy to decide which take you want. Then you drag it into the main track. Use the SHIFT key to make sure it goes straight to it.

It's that easy. You don't need take comping. It's there. It's ALWAYS been there. That's how we always did it.

Shooshie

Prime Mover wrote:

antongiulio wrote:Exactly, and when i'm working on orchestral mockups i have almost 50 V.I. loaded so 100 tracks.......anyway, maybe the next DP version.......

Actually, yeah, I'll buy that. Back when I did more orchestral type work, I used to have around 32 patches loaded. But I wasn't doing 1 per instrument/articulation!

He said 50 VIs, not 50 patches, so he could make the point that he needs 100 tracks to play 50 patches. I can't afford 50 Vis worth having, let alone the computer to run them. Maybe this is author of the 10,000 track sequence we heard about last year?

bayswater wrote:Maybe this is author of the 10,000 track sequence we heard about last year?

Yeah, whatever happened that that guy? He was supposed to offer a track list or other proof, but he disappeared.

Like those who insist that every cue has it's own DP project, the folks using hundreds of tracks either don't understand how to use the tools or it just makes them feel good to say they have hundreds of tracks. Oooo... 100's of tracks, must be complicated!

The word is convoluted. Insecurity also comes to mind as does inefficient. I suppose if you're trying to create the same music over, and over, and over again, that can work for ya.

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:

bayswater wrote:Maybe this is author of the 10,000 track sequence we heard about last year?

Yeah, whatever happened that that guy? He was supposed to offer a track list or other proof, but he disappeared.

Like those who insist that every cue has it's own DP project, the folks using hundreds of tracks either don't understand how to use the tools or it just makes them feel good to say they have hundreds of tracks. Oooo... 100's of tracks, must be complicated!

The word is convoluted. Insecurity also comes to mind as does inefficient. I suppose if you're trying to create the same music over, and over, and over again, that can work for ya.

Mike, I never thought I'd hear such a BIG strawman from you...

It has nothing to do with anything you wrote, I can assure you.

If you think about it, it's at least 10 times faster to delete what you don't need than creating (and routing) tracks and VIs as needed. It's all about speed and convenience.

Just because the template is large does not mean every single track must be used!

Maybe it's my own limitations but I really believe in the concept of less is more,I can't imagine having that many VI's or tracks and it being able to sound good,the thing I keep trying to get better at is leaving space,how do you do this with hundreds of tracks?
It's beyond my understanding or arranging abilities.

kgdrum wrote:Maybe it's my own limitations but I really believe in the concept of less is more,I can't imagine having that many VI's or tracks and it being able to sound good,the thing I keep trying to get better at is leaving space,how do you do this with hundreds of tracks?
It's beyond my understanding or arranging abilities.

The size of the template has nothing to do with the instrumentation at all. The point is to simply have anything you may want ready and not waste time looking for or setting sounds.

If I know I won't need the full Kitchen department for a project, then I simply open one of the three smaller templates, or simply delete the Percussion section tracks (by deleting the folder -a 2 second distraction).

Having all your instruments ready does not mean you must use them all, of course. Most times I use a small fraction of the instruments of my templates, and I usually delete the unused tracks as I advance in the project.

The great thing is that if you hear in your mind a Thundersheet or a lithophone for a short passage, you simply open the percussion folder and click Rec and start composing. Track Folders are key to this, of course.