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Post by Roel de Witt »

Hi,

The full version will overwrite the trial version, unless a different user account was used during trial installation.

If for some reason there is an error during the installation of the full version just manually delete the /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/TruePianos.component

This however should only happen when a different account was used. Of course your host application (e.g. Digital Performer) or the standalone 'trial' version of TruePianos should not be running during installation.

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williemyers wrote:((apologies to James for using Unicornation for a TruePianos question))

Roel,
Just successfully purchased & downloaded the Mac files. Should I delete/uninstall the demo files before installing the full version files?

thanks,

b myers, composer
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Post by Opax »

Damn, I joined here on July 2nd, and I've only just found out about the offer! :cry:

I would have gone for this straight away! :(
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Post by stephentayler »

I appreciate this offer, as i am currently on the road in Mumbai, and would prefer to purchase when I am safely back in the UK

great work

kind regards

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Post by gyohng »

It is most probably that the offer will not have a deadline, unless there will be a very strong reason to remove the discount managing scripts from the server.

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Post by SixStringGeek »

James: Thanks for getting this discount! Very nice. You sir, rock.

Roel, Wow - outstanding realism on the diamond piano and love that it is easy on the CPU. I have Ivory, but it doesn't work live on a MacBook as it is a little too resource intensive. Ideally, I should open my laptop, plug it into a controller keyboard/audio interface, and go.

Thus, I purchased initially to have a decent piano for live use and confess I'm busy installing it on the studio desktop as well because I may use it in a recording yet. At the discount price, it is hard to not pay for it. :D
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Post by Roel de Witt »

Hi,

Thanks for the kind words.

A notice to everybody who bought or might buy TruePianos. On the TruePianos website on the bottom of the frontpage (and in the customer section) there is an option to subscribe to the TruePianos newsletter. Subscribing to this newsletter will keep you informed whenever we release an updated version of the software. So some of you might want to subscribe if you haven't done so already.

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SixStringGeek wrote:James: Thanks for getting this discount! Very nice. You sir, rock.

Roel, Wow - outstanding realism on the diamond piano and love that it is easy on the CPU. I have Ivory, but it doesn't work live on a MacBook as it is a little too resource intensive. Ideally, I should open my laptop, plug it into a controller keyboard/audio interface, and go.

Thus, I purchased initially to have a decent piano for live use and confess I'm busy installing it on the studio desktop as well because I may use it in a recording yet. At the discount price, it is hard to not pay for it. :D
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Post by bayswater »

Such a deal! Just went straight from the link to the buy page and got it. I NEVER do that. Thanks James. Worth a lot more than the price of admission.
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Post by tom24569 »

Great sounds.

I noticed on the demo video that adjusting for latency was mentioned as a way to tighten up the responsiveness of the instrument. Excuse the basic question, but where is latency set? In DP, on the controller, or somewhere in between? I'm using an M-Audio Axiom 61 as my controller.

Any other advice related to latency/responsiveness appreciated!
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Post by Roel de Witt »

Hi Tom,

Within the Standalone version of TruePianos you can set the latency under "preferences". Within DP I don't know since I don't use it myself.. Somebody else will be able to answer this or in a less helpful case, check the manual :)

What also helps for some people with quite old graphics cards combined with older CPUs it also seems to help to minimize the user interface, especially with the standalone version if you are experiencing clicks/pops in the sound.

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tom24569 wrote:Great sounds.

I noticed on the demo video that adjusting for latency was mentioned as a way to tighten up the responsiveness of the instrument. Excuse the basic question, but where is latency set? In DP, on the controller, or somewhere in between? I'm using an M-Audio Axiom 61 as my controller.

Any other advice related to latency/responsiveness appreciated!
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True Pianos - Babz Quick Candid Review

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I just discovered this thread today (I'm more active on the MOTU-Mac mail list than this forum; I read the mail list everyday but always forget to check in with forums), and I guess everyone is all abuzz about MachFive 2 at the moment, so I hope this isn't already a dying thread. I skimmed most of the 10 screens full of comments on the other True Pianos thread, but not all, so apologies if I'm making points that have already been raised. Okay, disclaimer out of the way...

INSTALLATION & PERFORMANCE

I downloaded the demo and installed it on a Mac G5 2x2 w/ DP 5.11 without a hitch. The True Pianos demo app seems to take up only about 68MB of disk space for the plugin and about 34MB for the stand alone app. According to Activity Monitor, my RAM usage increases by about 78MB when I instantiate True Pianos in DP. So, for a piano VI, this is obviously extremely economical when it comes to disk and RAM overhead!

With buffers on 128 on my G5 and no other tracks, plugins, etc. in use, just playing live, dense arpeggios up the keyboard make DP's Audio Performance meter jump to about 60-70%. Essentially, I can play as dense as I want and it never gets higher.

HOW DOES IT SOUND?

There are about 10 presets, with names like "Classical," "Rock," "Jazz," etc. I didn't find a lot of difference in sound between them other than a bit of EQ. Pop, Rock, Bright, and "Blues all sound bright, with Blues being the brightest and thinnest. Classical, Warm, and Ballet lean toward more warmth and body and all sound very similar, but with subtle timbral differences.

Overall I'd say True Pianos delivers a pleasantly realistic piano experience, much more than you might expect given its compact size. However, what it lacks compared to the better sampled pianos that I've tried is timbral variation with velocity. True Pianos does not get brighter or duller as play harder or softer. It also lacks the "pedal down" ambient harp quality that you'll find on better sampled pianos, and things like damper and pedal noises.

CONCLUSIONS AND SPECULATION

What this sounds like to my ear is that they took samples of a piano at one velocity level (and maybe not even every note) and then they do the rest with modeling and synthesis. The result is quite playable, but this is not a piano I would reach for if I were looking for ultimate expression and realism. What it DOES offer is installation that takes seconds rather than hours, and nearly transparent RAM and disk demands. True Pianos offers a rewarding and quite playable piano that still manages to stack up well even in today's crowded virtual piano marketplace. It is impressive for a v. 1 instrument, but IMO, has some room for improvement. Playing dynamically feels tonally static for me. It reminds me of some the single layered sampled pianos I remember from the hardware sampler days. Even if they offered a simple velocity-controlled filter, it would help. The Sympathetic Resonance feature doesn't seem to do much, and neither do any of the other velocity or keyboard dynamic parameters (other than altering volume dynamics). They are off to an excellent start, and if they can bring in more timbral velocity dynamics and more harp resonance and simulated pedal behavior, and keep data size at these levels, we could someday be looking at a product that could be a viable replacement for big sample-based pianos like Ivory. FWIW, IMHO, YMMV, and all the usual disclaimers....

Babz :shock:

P.S. I'm assuming that the demo app is no different than the full version, other than being time limited. I suppose it's possible that the full paid version may offer more timbral velocity dynamics ... I wish it did!
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Post by Roel de Witt »

Hi,

Since I'm not objective on the all parts I'm only replying on some parts of the previous post. I'll leave this to the other forum members to jump or to disagree with me. Most of what I'm typing below is my personal opinion and view on things as one of the developers of the product.

The trial version of TruePianos, contains only the Diamond module. This piano module contains several presets each with different but somewhat similar piano types. Different in a way that they are tweaked for various musical genres and the similar in way since they are all coming from the same 'base' called the Diamond module.

The full version of TruePianos currently comes with two modules, Diamond and Emerald (more modules are in development). These were the v1.0 product launch modules. Ever since the product became available publicly we've been working on enhancing the TruePianos 'Core' engine, porting it to Mac OS X and fixing some issues in the two released modules.

In terms of expressive and natural playing, I think TruePianos, when one has taken the time to set up the "keyboard dynamics" slider correctly and when assuming a decent MIDI keyboard, is hard to beat by any/most piano libraries out there. Of course this is very clearly a personal opinion, but it's also one of the reasons why many people like TruePianos.

Regarding sympathetic resonance (complete or partial implementation).. In most piano libraries this effect is highly exaggerated. When playing on a real piano this effect is far more subtle than you might be used to from most piano libraries on the market.

TruePianos v1.x should indeed be seen in the context of a v1.0/x product. TruePianos is under near continues development and even though version numbers 'rise' very with little amounts (e.g. TP Windows v1.0 -> engine enhancements and fixes, sostenuto pedal support, standalone version, fixes and additions in modules, initial Mac OS X port and several other things was reason for us to increase the version number with 0.0.2), that doesn't mean that that's all that's has been done. It's just what's considered mature enough to release to the public without turning customers into betatesters.

Some will love TruePianos, others won't. It's the way things are. However I'm quite convinced that in the not too distant future quite a few of the current critics will bump into TruePianos again, finding themselves to have changed their mind.

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Post by melenko »

Very cool, indeed!
Thank's a lot.
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Post by GMarcelK »

Wow guys,

I tested TruePianos and love it.
4Front people: Thanks for the great offer. I'll sure order it, since I'm going to use it a lot!

And of course a big thanks to the Unicornation people who made this happen!

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Bump... just a reminder for people who might have missed this thread. :-)
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Just downloaded and playing with it. More info soon ...

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