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I dont have a G5...only a PowerBook (who said PoorBook??)

For sure, with a G5, it would be easier...
But I think external device might be better.

Resonant Alien wrote:WOW! Wizooverb only $99! I listened to the demos on their website - it sounds awesome, especially for the price. Why is this verb not discussed very much around here? To me, it sounds tons better than WaveArts MasterVerb.

I have great results w Wizooverb on my dual g4 1.33 - I reallllllllly like it - and I paid way more than 99.00!!!!!!!


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Another vote for Altiverb!!

When I stand in a performance hall, club, or cathedral and clap my hands I hear Altiverb.

bralston wrote:Actually Altiverb 5 is pretty easy on the CPU compared to what it use to be. Any Dual G5 machine will run multiple instances of the plugin without breaking a sweat. And some of the Dual G5 machines can be had very cheaply...if people don't have them already.

I completely agree with you, Brian. I haven't found it to be the massive hog people claim it to be and who really needs more than 2 to 3 instances of verb anyway. On most of my projects, Altiverb (2 to 3 instances) only takes up 15 - 20% of my CPU power on my Dual 1.8 G5. That's very workable for any project I work on.

How does the Waves Reverb compare in your opinion to Altiverb or whatever your favorite reverb is?

barnee wrote: Mobile for recording or mobile for doing production(mixing)?

I plan to be mobile too.
When I will have to track, I will just move with soundcards, preamps and mics...and maybe one or two compressors/limiters...
But I dont need my reverb 'outside'.

Do you really need your reverb when out?

Both, really. I can't make much noise where I live, so if I want to record or mix, I have to DI all instruments or use headphones at home. I prefer using amps with mics and studio monitors for playback. I have three or four places I can go to make noise - but I have to use the space that's available at that time, so it's difficult to know where I will be woking next.
Someday I will build the Uberstudio, mehopes. Or at least a good shack.

Rusty Shackleford wrote:How does the Waves Reverb compare in your opinion to Altiverb or whatever your favorite reverb is?

I don't know it you're referring to TruVerb or Renaissance Verb, but I really like RenVerb. It takes some work to get what you want out of it, but it always sounds great. I never got into TruVerb much, nor will I probably.

Altiverb, and convolution verb in general, is just totally different than digital verb. Either can work well it just depends on the usage. RenVerb is my "go to" digital verb and Altiverb does everything else.

I was referring to RenVerb, which I think sounds extremely good, too. So, Altiverb sounds more natural?

Nobody has mentioned the TC Electronic Powercore System 6000 verbs, so I will. They are the best reverbs I have heard yet in the digital realm. I even like them better than Altiverb, now that I've used it. The bonus is also that they don't use any CPU since they run off the Powercore platform. The drawback is they run on the Powercore platform, which costs extra. However, the VSS3 and the NonLin verbs from the System 6000 for the Powercore are TC's best reverbs, period and the same ones from their $10,000 system.

Too bad you can't try them without owning, or at least having in your posession, a powercore unit or card...

If you can get ahold of one, give them a try.

Rainmaker

again...an external device.

I think sometimes soon, we will all use a 7U rack with:
-1U universal audio
-1U SSL
-1U Lexicon
-1U Neve
-1U API
-1U Eventide
-1U Focusrite

All these, external units (DSP) FireWire things.
Full of compressors/gates/EQ/reverbs/delays/limiters/deessers/chorus/flange/preamps...

It's going to be an amazing world.

There are times when a convolution "natural" reverb is called for, and times when a digital reverb is called for. For example, I'm doing a jazz album right now and the guitarist wants that Lerxicon PCM sound on his guitar -
so in this case, I go to Waves Renaissance Reverb.

Digital reverb (by this I mean something other than convolution) is smooth and synthetic, but that doesn't mean it has no place in a mix. I'd rather use a "synthetic" reverb for digital reverb sounds than use a digital reverb impulse in a convolution reverb , actually. I have lots of "PCM80" style impulses for my convolution reverbs but they sound too static to me, like a lifeless sample of a reverb tail. Maybe I just haven't gotten a really top-notch PCM70 or Eventide IR yet ..

I see that AudioDamage has got a new reverb coming out - should be interesting. I like their other products, especially DubStation.

Rusty Shackleford wrote:How does the Waves Reverb compare in your opinion to Altiverb or whatever your favorite reverb is?

Waves Renverb and Trueverb are old algorithms that sound pretty dated to my ears. I've never liked that sound, because it tends to have a metallic sort of edge to it. MOTU's eVerb is much like them, and frankly there's not enough difference between them to justify the cost of the Waves verbs. Granted, it's EASIER to get a good reverb sound out of Waves verbs, but you CAN get it from eVerb.

But when we talk about Altiverb, we're talking about a whole new ballpark. Or Stadium. Or Cathedral, concert hall, bathroom, Lexicon, Chateau, bedroom, 747... This is not even remotely similar to those old Waves verbs or MOTU's reverbs. These are actual sampled spaces, plus you can change all the parameters to make them into NEW spaces. Although I have the Waves IR, I haven't used it. It should be very much like Altiverb. Either way, a 2nd generation impulse response like Altiverb is invaluable. It's the best thing that ever happened to recording "in the box" since the graphic editing window. There just isn't any substitute for it.

Shooshie

mikebeckmotu wrote:I've noticed that many on this forum like Altiverb. I wish I could afford it right now (both the $$ and the CPU) but I will have to put it off for awhile.

Hope some of this helps.

The version 5 is a lot more DSP efficient... And like I have said befoe, just render the output of the verb to audio that way you don't have to worry about DSP. Modulating a verb gives all kinds of artifacts so rendering them makes way more sense.

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