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Dp7 looks good from what they say; now some one has to try it so we can see how well it works. who will be the first brave soul? Hell I may just order it and give it a go.

This is exciting! Then again, I did skip DP6.
How annoyingly smug am I?

Having difficulty with the 195 bux here. Think for the update right after buying 6 we should get it for around a 100 bux max. Wonder if this isn't more of a revenue play by MOTU.

What is the GUI like? Did they bring back the slide out tray ftom 5? More automation features? What the heck? What about a high resolution fader system? The current one is still too short and lacking bigtime IMO. It really requires an interfaced desk to use properly.

I have noticed on this new 09 8 core and snow that many of the problems in 5 and 6 went away but in 5.13, which I still use, although it has improved crashes from edge edits and seems smoother, NOW, I have punch in pops intermittently. Not sure why. Could be my raid card reality.

I think it's time to actually start using 6.02 for a bit and getting some of that investment back from time to time.

One thing for sure, DP7 should be less money for users who bought 6!

kassonica wrote: Nine automation modes are provided: Overwrite, Latch, Trim Latch, Touch, Trim Touch, Range Latch, Range Touch, Range Trim Latch, and Range Trim Touch.

What?....
You mean they've left out the "Range Trim Touch Latch Overwrite Make-The-Coffee-While-You're-Bouncing-To-Disk" mode"?!

disgracful...what were they thinking?!

Timeline wrote: I think it's time to actually start using 6.02 for a bit and getting some of that investment back from time to time.

Just be sure you don't need phone support, or three calls will top the upgrade price.

williemyers wrote:

kassonica wrote: Nine automation modes are provided: Overwrite, Latch, Trim Latch, Touch, Trim Touch, Range Latch, Range Touch, Range Trim Latch, and Range Trim Touch.

What?....
You mean they've left out the "Range Trim Touch Latch Overwrite Make-The-Coffee-While-You're-Bouncing-To-Disk" mode"?!

disgracful...what were they thinking?!

and they left out 'range trim write a hit song and make millions' as well

I skipped DP 6 due to the amount of people here that were saying it was unstable. My 5.13 is very stable, so I stayed with it. I will probably get DP 7 as soon as some people start reporting it's reliability.
You know.. I understand some people being upset that they bought a DP version that did not work very well for them (for whatever the reasons are) and now there is another version coming out that costs $195, but how else is MOTU going to stay in business if they don't charge for the new versions?
We are lucky they don't charge for each "fix" to the version. After all they are paying programmers to do these things and it reduces their profits I am sure.
It would be a perfect world if they put out a version X.0 that worked perfectly to start with.
I want them to stay in business and I would not mind paying for each version. If MOTU goes out of the software business, where would we be then.
It's sort of like the story about a man who complained that he had sore feet until he lost his feet, and then wished he could have sore feet again.
I guess I should have done like some others who bought DP 6 to support the company, and in retrospect, I wish I had done so.
Although, I do feel that MOTU should give an additional price break to those who in good faith bought DP 6 and are now going to have to upgrade to DP 7 in order to have stable systems.

I would have bought DP 6 if enough people said it worked great for them. I just could not take a chance on messing my system up.
Maybe I am weird but I don't think $195 is a very high price for a software package.

Hey, since we now have chord symbols in Quickscribe, where do you think those symbols might show up elsewhere? For composing I have been using markers with chord names but sure would make better use of dedicated symbols across the tracks, sequence, and MIDI editors of the sequence.

Well it's kind of curious from my perspective. I purchased Logic 8 for $500 IIRC, now they want $200 to upgrade to 9. I wasn't convinced I needed to, being that I don't use it much- I just got it to maintain compatibility at my studio and with other writing partners. Now I'm glad I didn't because I would rather give that money to MOTU for DP.

Now, I think $195 is too much money to ask for people who own DP6- there just hasn't been enough time. But I have to admit, I do like some of the new (less obvious) features. I like the channel strips, and that they will follow selections during editing. This would be a great enhancement for my workflow. The realtime fades are good (a few times I had my fades get corrupted on the disk and I had to redo them).

The guitar stuff is OK I guess, as long as they're as good or better than Guitar Rig

I guess I'll go for it eventually, but I think I'm going to wait to see how it works first. It took me a LONG time to get 6 somewhat stable, and I don't want to go through that again.

I can't believe i just read all ten pages. I feel like I just came out of a town hall meeting on health care. I'm apparently part of a bigger group than I realized..... DP6 on a shelf. I used it for a week, and then went back to DP 5.13. I guess it seems to me, that DP 5.13 is the version I will be using until I retire. It's a little disappointing, but it gives me some comfort also knowing that it is stable. Most importantly.... it lets me work efficiently, an it sounds great. I still wish I could score at 23.98 fps in DP 5.13, but thems the brakes.

So, is DP7 worth upgrading for the program I use the most to make my living? Part of the problem with DP6 was that nothing worked (in my studio setup) anymore. Quickeys went nuts, Wormhole flipped out, I was pulling menus down searching for things that had always been there. It's really about work flow for me. All of the new bells and whistles aren't speeding this up (maybe with the exception of realtime xfades).

$200... not a big deal considering other DAWs prices. I would pay $1000 if someone gave me a plugin for new frame rates to work in DP5. I would pay $2000 for a brand new DP7 that could look and function just like DP5. That's not too much money for a professional piece of software. Especially when you make your living using it. My wife is a designer, and her software cost $5000! There's a real reason to stay at v1

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I am very disconcerted seeing how some people complain so much about the $195... I mean, COME ON GUYS!!! PLEASE!!!!

Have you ever realized you spend much more than that on stupid things? Or at least unnecessary things? We are talking here the amount you'd spend with a chick at a nice restaurant! This software allows us to make A LIVING!

How much money have I made in the past months or years just because of DP alone? The $195 is a ridiculous small fraction. Is it really that hard? Can we not give a little back to these geniuses who are giving us something that allows us not only to make a living, but to do things that were a DREAM just a few years ago out of a small box?

Back in the 90's, if someone had told you that for a mere $195 bucks you could get an app that would allow you to do in your studio (or bedroom) what previously required hundreds of thousands of dollars, most of us would probably have laughed in disbelief.
Well, HERE IT IS! I really think it's VERY sad how some people have lost their capacity for appreciation, for amazement, for fairness, for being dazzled!

$195 bucks for an app that keeps getting better, and that allows me to do more with less, and allow me to make music I could only dream of doing a few years ago? What a no brainer

Why do people want everything cheap, or free? Is that the way you want others to value YOUR work and your music?... Jeez...

FMiguelez wrote:.

I am very disconcerted seeing how some people complain so much about the $195... I mean, COME ON GUYS!!! PLEASE!!!!

Have you ever realized you spend much more than that on stupid things? Or at least unnecessary things? We are talking here the amount you'd spend with a chick at a nice restaurant! This software allows us to make A LIVING!

How much money have I made in the past months or years just because of DP alone? The $195 is a ridiculous small fraction. Is it really that hard? Can we not give a little back to these geniuses who are giving us something that allows us not only to make a living, but to do things that were a DREAM just a few years ago out of a small box?

Back in the 90's, if someone had told you that for a mere $195 bucks you could get an app that would allow you to do in your studio (or bedroom) what previously required hundreds of thousands of dollars, most of us would probably have laughed in disbelief.
Well, HERE IT IS! I really think it's VERY sad how some people have lost their capacity for appreciation, for amazement, for fairness, for being dazzled!

$195 bucks for an app that keeps getting better, and that allows me to do more with less, and allow me to make music I could only dream of doing a few years ago? What a no brainer

Why do people want everything cheap, or free? Is that the way you want others to value YOUR work and your music?... Jeez...

Well said..

I'm going out on a limb here - so I've put on my asbestos Long Johns...

Re: the $195 upgrade, sure it impacts us all, but if you have DP 5 (which, if you have DP 6 you can request from MOTU and they should send it to you) then you don't have to upgrade. I realize you paid for DP 6 ( as I did) but a stable version is available to you nevertheless.

Looked at another way, MOTU is not immune to economic impacts and hardships. The last couple of years have been brutal on consumers and companies and we're all in recovery mode. To simply give away DP 7 isn't possible. The $90 price for users of DP 6 is a great marketing and brand loyalty idea and I endorse that 1000%.

MOTU may be looking at a very different set of parameters (no pun intended). They are not going to come out and say "we need money" just as you wouldn't approach a client in that way. I view the $200 upgrade in several ways.

1- An investment in my professional tools. Duh!

2- An investment in stimulating the U.S. economy. It's patriotic (thanks to non-US citizens for helping here!)

3- An investment in the development of progress in computer assisted music creation.

4- A vote of confidence in the Apple platform.

5- A vote of confidence and support to MOTU for the decades of fine products they provided.

6- A personal treat for myself! I love new stuff, learning curves, and bug / system solutions.

7 - A way to make my music & sound designs sound better, get done faster, and new ways to create.

So let's take the total including cheap shipping. In the USA that comes to $202.95. That comes to $28.99 total for each of my listed items - or 14 cents a day/per item for 7 months. Sound like a lot? Over an average year, it extrapolates to about 8 cents a day per item. Since the release of DP 6 roughly 2 years ago, that's 4 cents a day/per item- with the total payment to MOTU for the last version at less than 30 cents a day.

If you meet once a week with potential clients with an average cost to you per meeting of about $20 (unless they want pancakes or shots of tequila) that comes out to about $1040 a year and you may get nothing in return. Over the life of DP 6, you would have paid over $2k for client meetings. Most likely more.

So while the initial outlay of $200 does seem steep, it really isn't for something you use everyday. Put another way, a cup of McDonald's coffee at 99 cents everyday would cost you a whopping (or would that be Burger King coffee costing a "whopping?) whatever... it would cost you well over $700 over the life of DP 6! And that's cheap ass coffee (but it's better than most cheap ass coffees ).

Put in that perspective, 4 cents a day for DP 6 I can live with. Besides, it's all tax deductible. It may even prevent hair loss. Then again, it may cause it, but that's for another section...

As I preview this I see FMig has posted a similar projection and sdkalk has already responded. Late to the party again, but I did bring the tequila! Now if I just add some bourbon who knows who will show up...

Tripi, why don't you want to upgrade OSX to Snow Leopard? It fixed the majority of problems that were happening in DP6.02.

On the other hand, DP6.02 wasn't behaving that badly in Leopard on my Mac. I certainly haven't had all the problems you name, though initially in DP6.0 things seemed like utter chaos. 6.02 in Leopard was really pretty stable. But in Snow Leopard, everything just works. Perhaps the most impressive of those were the ability to run Vi's in Pre-rendering Mode, and the ability to bounce to disk by selecting all the tracks I want to bounce, including MIDI tracks, and just bouncing. That means no freezing or recording MIDI first, and no unfreezing or switching tracks on/off to enable getting back to work after the bounce. I was able to do this with all VI's except MSI and Mach5.2, (and Ethno, if I owned it). Plus, I was able to bounce directly to MP3, or to Wav or AIFF, interleaved or not. In other words, all that stuff that used to sound so great on paper, but didn't work for me in reality, just suddenly started working. Once again I'm talking about only the upgrade to Snow Leopard for $29. It fixed all that for me.

I know you make your living with DP, but if you're like me you have studio computers and home computers. For 20 years of making my living with DP, I always tried the new versions on my home computer before installing it on studio machines and using it for billable hours. Sometimes that meant being 6 months or more behind the times, but I never lost data or crashed while on the clock. Ever. If you can try this out on your home computer, you owe it to yourself to give it a try. I certainly don't want to lead you down a path that causes you downtime or loss of income. But DP 6.02/Snow Leopard is now to the point where I would recommend it for clients' as well as my own computers.

I have no reason to believe that DP7 is going to be anything but an improvement over DP 6.02, and that the troublesome times of DP 6.0 are behind us for a long time. (till Steve Jobs proclaims that we're all moving to Quantum Computing)

Sorry to hear of your frustration with DP 6.0x, and I wish you nothing but the best in all your musical/audio endeavors.

Shooshie

+10

$200 every 18 months and it's made me..................................................................

I've spent more on a night out and not enjoyed as much as DP in a session.