DP 5.1 is crashing on my Macbook

asela · Post by **asela** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:12 pm

this is not the first time that motu released an upgrade in beta state...

so nothing you can do solve this problems... the software is buggy...
think in version 4.0 it works awful until 4.6 came a year later... and it still crashes sometimes...

so... stop buying motu stuff...

kelldammit · Post by **kelldammit** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:53 am

asela wrote:this is not the first time that motu released an upgrade in beta state...

so nothing you can do solve this problems... the software is buggy...
think in version 4.0 it works awful until 4.6 came a year later... and it still crashes sometimes...

so... stop buying motu stuff...

the odd part is that i run a macbook, and have never seen this issue. 1.4.7 and 10.4.8 have both been fine for me.

most software companies do the same thing. operating systems have staggering amounts of bugs even well after release. just about every daw manufacturers' forum has a contingent that complains about being "beta testers" and i don't know of any daw that doesn't have at least a few longstanding unresolved issues.
so...stop buying software

though, the only exception that comes to mind is propellerhead (reason)...their releases are usually very very good.

asela · Post by **asela** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:58 pm

i never had a crash using Ableton Live, or Propellerhead Reason...

i‘m using a MacBook Pro 17 and DP5.1 is unusable, and i‘m using apple and mac since 1982, so my configuration is not the issue, is the software, bad implementation of the GUI, processsor clips with 1 track running alone, freezes every 5 min, lost of unmuted tracks in the bounce, ufff...

so knock on wood if you haven‘t crashed yed ...

and notice that i‘m not connecting any hardware yet...

jeronimo · Post by **jeronimo** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:48 pm

Using 5.1 with a M-Audio 1814, recording live concerts, up to 1 1/2 hour gigs, non stop, 44.1/16 to internal HD on my black MB with no problems so far, never had a crash.
Using only free UB plugins...

daniel.sneed · Post by **daniel.sneed** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:08 am

just want to add my complain about crash every 2 min, or if very lucky 30 min.
my faulty combination is macbook, 10.4.8, DP5.1

I've got the crash logs with the strange "surround" thing.
I never use any suround track, of course.

I've tried every workaround I can access, to not avail :
smc update, os update, dp update, built-in audio, no plugins, reinstall, defrag, techtoolpro, onyx, tweak here and there, etc...

seems very confusing, but I also get a few "audi-MIDI setup" crashs (!)
and a single midiserver crash (?)
so what I'm gonna do ?

work is going to be tough.
help , If any, please

bergstrand · Post by **bergstrand** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:52 am

daniel.sneed wrote:just want to add my complain about crash every 2 min, or if very lucky 30 min.
my faulty combination is macbook, 10.4.8, DP5.1

I've got the crash logs with the strange "surround" thing.
I never use any suround track, of course.

I've tried every workaround I can access, to not avail :
smc update, os update, dp update, built-in audio, no plugins, reinstall, defrag, techtoolpro, onyx, tweak here and there, etc...

seems very confusing, but I also get a few "audi-MIDI setup" crashs (!)
and a single midiserver crash (?)
so what I'm gonna do ?

work is going to be tough.
help , If any, please

--- FRENCH-MODE: ON ---

Salut,

Vu que t'es en France, je tente la VF...

T'as essayÃ© Ã§a?

1. Disable Pre-Fill Buffers in Configure Studio Settings
2. Raise buffer size to 1024
3. Disable or Delete any unused audio/aux/instr. tracks
4. Switch to Medium Work Priority
5. Increase Host Buffer Multiplier to 2

(vu dans le mÃªme sujet plus haut, rÃ©glages indiquÃ©s par des techniciens de MOTU)

Chez moi, Ã§a marche pas trop mal...
Un crash toutes les 1h / 1h30 au lieu de toutes les 2 min...
Et uniquement quand je fais un gros boulot...
(Par exemple un "Normalize" sur un gros fichier analogique)
Pas dÃ©finitif comme solution, mais dÃ©jÃ plus agrÃ©able...

Sinon, les gars de MOTU m'on dit de checker de temps en temps leur site pour un update...
Apparement ils bossent sÃ©rieusement sur le problÃ¨me...

--- FRENCH-MODE: OFF ---

*****************************************************************
*** ENGLISH ******************************************************
*****************************************************************
I just tell him to try these settings that are working pretty well for my case...
*****************************************************************

mal201 · Post by **mal201** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:06 am

OK updated my m-audio firewire driver to 1.7.4 and os to 10.4.8 and suddenly DP works.

Haven't really put it through the ringer yet but those updates seem to do the trick.

daniel.sneed · Post by **daniel.sneed** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:22 am

Merci pour ton moral, Bergstrand, mais :

Of course all these precious advices did NOT help in any way.
DP 5.1 still crashes randomly, from 2 to 30 min.

Last motu updates here, last apple updates, last firmwares, and so, and so...

Sigh !

yaking · Post by **yaking** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:10 pm

I think I figured it out- and I mean no more crashing AND running Vista easily- the ultimate Intel Mac.

After making sure that 5.1 is the only version/copy on my system and fixing permission and verifying the HD, I used SuperDuper! to back up the system drive to a fresh firewire drive. After re-booting on the firewire drive, I used SuperDuper! to copy back to a freshly formatted drive. And voila! Crashing stopped.

And for those of you using Windoze Vista on the Intel macs. Just format your drive for two partitions the other one being a DOS partition. Don't use BootCamp except to create the drivers CD-ROM. Then SuperDuper! the files back over. You don't have to lose your 200 meg partiton for future firmware updates. Make sure to seperate the drivers from the install program since the program is not compatible with Windoze Vista. Then install the drivers manualy.

To get back on track (and on topic), re-authorize DP and you are done. Works great over here. AND I figured out a FANTASTIC way to run all the old plug-ins that are not Universal Binary. But I'm not ready to tell that secret yet

Let me know if this works for you. Sorry I went off-topic but I know that many of you are hackers and since you are formatting the drive, you can kill two installation with one stone.

With my MacBook pro 17, I (as well as my clients) can wirelessly network with ANY piece of equipment in my studio and listen in real-time.

Image sitting at a free WiFi spot and playing a portable keyboard that is remotely triggering a Synclavier and a Mac Tower full of samples. And it plays back in real-time from the laptop's built-in speakers. All while controlling the network cameras and having two-way conversations, listening to mixes-in progress, etc.

Technology, when it works, can be great!

cchord59 · Post by **cchord59** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:04 pm

yaking wrote:I think I figured it out- and I mean no more crashing AND running Vista easily- the ultimate Intel Mac.

After making sure that 5.1 is the only version/copy on my system and fixing permission and verifying the HD, I used SuperDuper! to back up the system drive to a fresh firewire drive. After re-booting on the firewire drive, I used SuperDuper! to copy back to a freshly formatted drive. And voila! Crashing stopped.

And for those of you using Windoze Vista on the Intel macs. Just format your drive for two partitions the other one being a DOS partition. Don't use BootCamp except to create the drivers CD-ROM. Then SuperDuper! the files back over. You don't have to lose your 200 meg partiton for future firmware updates. Make sure to seperate the drivers from the install program since the program is not compatible with Windoze Vista. Then install the drivers manualy.

To get back on track (and on topic), re-authorize DP and you are done. Works great over here. AND I figured out a FANTASTIC way to run all the old plug-ins that are not Universal Binary. But I'm not ready to tell that secret yet

Let me know if this works for you. Sorry I went off-topic but I know that many of you are hackers and since you are formatting the drive, you can kill two installation with one stone.

With my MacBook pro 17, I (as well as my clients) can wirelessly network with ANY piece of equipment in my studio and listen in real-time.

Image sitting at a free WiFi spot and playing a portable keyboard that is remotely triggering a Synclavier and a Mac Tower full of samples. And it plays back in real-time from the laptop's built-in speakers. All while controlling the network cameras and having two-way conversations, listening to mixes-in progress, etc.

Technology, when it works, can be great!

thanks for your reply. I'll give this a try tomorrow.

I would love to hear your trick for running old plugs. I have waves version 4 that is now usless for me. I'd be very greatful if you shared it.

jeronimo · Post by **jeronimo** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:14 am

I also curious about running non UB plugs on 5.1!!!

Dwetmaster · Post by **Dwetmaster** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:48 am

jeronimo wrote:I also curious about running non UB plugs on 5.1!!!

See This

jeronimo · Post by **jeronimo** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:29 am

yaking wrote: ...AND I figured out a FANTASTIC way to run all the old plug-ins that are not Universal Binary. But I'm not ready to tell that secret yet
...

what did he say here??????

daniel.sneed · Post by **daniel.sneed** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:17 am

thankx Yaking for the SuperDuper tip.

I did it and got mid results :
with yours AND all previous advices, I can reach 10 min between 2 crashs !

usable but painfull.

waiting for dp5.1.1, I guess

barks · Post by **barks** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:19 pm

I mostly lurk but I am having the same problem with my new setup:

Thread 10 Crashed:
0 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01eab5d0 MasMakeNonStandardSurroundSettingID + 218
1 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec1429 0x1e4c000 + 480297
2 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec2195 0x1e4c000 + 483733
3 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec2889 0x1e4c000 + 485513
4 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01e77e60 0x1e4c000 + 179808
5 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ed2d69 0x1e4c000 + 552297
6 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec0d96 0x1e4c000 + 478614
7 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec2539 0x1e4c000 + 484665
8 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec25f1 0x1e4c000 + 484849
9 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 11 Crashed:
0 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01eab5d0 MasMakeNonStandardSurroundSettingID + 218
1 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec1429 0x1e4c000 + 480297
2 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec2195 0x1e4c000 + 483733
3 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ed1885 0x1e4c000 + 546949
4 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01e80703 0x1e4c000 + 214787
5 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec0d96 0x1e4c000 + 478614
6 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec2539 0x1e4c000 + 484665
7 com.motu.MAS.framework 0x01ec25f1 0x1e4c000 + 484849
8 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84

apple S has been the only fix I could come up with, so please MOTU catch up with this as it is generally such an excellent product. This is a brand new computer, nothing but stock dp plugs, no file sharing apps in the background etc etc.

thanks

Barkley ':('

iMac 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo / 2GB ram / DP 5.1 / 828 mk1 driver V 1.4.2

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