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Ah-- let's hear it for context! Please forgive my density!!BradLyons wrote:The HD192 is MOTU's interface, the 192I/O is the Digidesign interface.
Question.....BradLyons wrote:Well the Rosetta with a Sympony card is very cool to say the least, but it's a different mindset than ProTools HD. The idea of Symphony is to connect Apogee converters directly to your computer with a front-end DSP for real-time monitoring, no latency. This is the same concept as in ProToolsHD, however that's where it ends because you're now talking a NATIVE plugin system v/s a DSP plugin system. As you know, I'm a ProToolsHD user. I do use other setups too so that I'm up to speed on them all, but when it comes to my own work and the mixing I do for my church. I use ONLY ProTools. In my home studio, I run a ProTools HD3 Accel with a 192I/O with a second A/D card. At my church, I use a ProTools HD3 Accel with a 96I/O however my inputs are actually coming from a VENUE console via the Digilink cable. The inputs are from the stage which are technically the 192I/O. In Studio A, I use 32-channels of Apogee AD16X and DA16X.
The 192I/O is a VERY good converter, I love mine! You can't say that it's better or worse than the Apogee, only different. Sonically, the 192I/O is a top-shelf converter but the Apogee is more musical, a little more punchy. The 192I/O is more clean, so to speak. The difference with ProToolsHD isn't just processing on the front-end, but dedicated DSP throughout which allows for BEST optimization of the system. The plugins are written FOR THIS SYSTEM, giving them the most efficiency, the best sound quality, and the fact they just work! No third-party drivers to make everything talk, no buffers to route a third-party DSP card through, predictable performance, integrated hardware so everything just functions the way it was designed, etc.
In a native system, it's easy to say how many tracks and how many plugins you can get. But understand this, manufacturers do these specs to "wow" you. But who cares how many plugins you can run, it comes down to how many AND how good of plugins you can run. About 3 years ago, I setup a Digi002 and a ProToolsHD system side by side...BOTH using Apogee converters on the output so it was the same converters. I left everything at unity gain so not to alter the mix bus and cause internal, native dither (since ProToolsHD has analog sounding dither on level reduction, this wouldn't be fair for my test). Basically I was just testing the audio quality and plugin audio quality. I had the same session, the same plugins (using all Waves plugins), the same levels, etc. There was a definite difference in plugin quality between native and the TDM based plugins. I've done this same test with other native systems, and ProTools always came out on top BECAUSE of the TDM based processing.
WITH THIS SAID......YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE PROTOOLSHD IN ORDER TO HAVE A POWERFUL, GREAT SOUNDING DAW THESE DAYS AND I WANT TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR ON THAT. Programs like DP and Logic are wonderful, and have so much to offer! Adding things like Duende, LiquidMix, or a PowercoreFW add plugin quality that typically is only available in an HD system. There are also limitations with those products, but they do work and are excellent! Personally, I use ProToolsHD because of the sound quality, dependability, speed of which it works, the vast array of high quality plugins that are available for it, and the automation system which is the best automation on the planet as far as I'm concerned. Before I went ProTools HD, I was thinking of adding a second MOTU 2408mk3 and buying a Sony DMXR100 with a MADI option, an RME MADI converter, and Nuendo. But in the end, I'm glad I went ProToolsHD and the Control24.
But for those running Logic or DP and have no need or no desire to switch, but want to have high-level converters without any kind of latency....then the Apogee Symphony with your choice of Apogee converters is certainly worth a look.
You missed that the original post was not about the protools 192i/o, but rather the MOTU HD192. Go back and read it again with that in mind and all will become clearFrodo wrote:
But could you clarify your statement regarding Apogee being "quite a bit more money"? Other than Rosetta and Symphony, what did I miss?
Yes, the thread was started back in March. I bumped it only a few days ago with a slightly different question that did not intend to involve the MOTU unit. In that sense, my question was slightly OT, but in that context I only wanted clarity with the references for the interfaces being discussed.Normandyrocks wrote:You missed that the original post was not about the protools 192i/o, but rather the MOTU HD192. Go back and read it again with that in mind and all will become clearFrodo wrote:
But could you clarify your statement regarding Apogee being "quite a bit more money"? Other than Rosetta and Symphony, what did I miss?
edit.. Opps I guess thats already been answered
You are just a pathetic jerk. JERK!!!!Kind Of Loud wrote:Question.....
Why do you post such a rant about the merits of ProTools, on a MOTU forum..?? Save that ••••, while you're blowing each other over at the Digi site....
And, uh...leave the "church" •••• out.....Normally, it's referred to as a "gig"....
No need for the "hidden" codes........
