All this PDF talks lately has had me thinking. Since DP has been generous for many years with their lack of registration encryptions etc... Maybe they do not need it. I mean imagine loading DP for the first time with no manual, no teachers, no DVD tutorials, etc... I imagine the average person would not be able to grasp the seemingly endless array of settings and menus. Its pretty much useless to them. I remember struggling at first to learn DP 4 (my first experience with a sequencer), but luckilly I used to carry around the manual and took many classes with it at university. But i cannot imagine sitting around trying to learn it on my own with no guidance materials. I own logic 7, with the 2 manuals, and DP and pro tools knowledge, and still I am frustrated by the learning curve when I try to use it. But i guess to those wishing to demo it before purchasing, it is frustrating, there is no legitamte demo from MOTU correct?? Just take our words for it.
Ok done rambling...back to work.
Would one be able to learn DP by themselves with no guidance
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Re: Would one be able to learn DP by themselves with no guid
I learned it without anything other than the manual and daily use. Of course... it took me 20 years.The Sinner wrote:All this PDF talks lately has had me thinking. Since DP has been generous for many years with their lack of registration encryptions etc... Maybe they do not need it. I mean imagine loading DP for the first time with no manual, no teachers, no DVD tutorials, etc... I imagine the average person would not be able to grasp the seemingly endless array of settings and menus. Its pretty much useless to them. I remember struggling at first to learn DP 4 (my first experience with a sequencer), but luckilly I used to carry around the manual and took many classes with it at university. But i cannot imagine sitting around trying to learn it on my own with no guidance materials. I own logic 7, with the 2 manuals, and DP and pro tools knowledge, and still I am frustrated by the learning curve when I try to use it. But i guess to those wishing to demo it before purchasing, it is frustrating, there is no legitamte demo from MOTU correct?? Just take our words for it.
Ok done rambling...back to work.
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There are different elements to learning any app. For someone who has never worked with graphic editing, there are serious basics to be learned and new shop talk-- ppi vs dpi, kerning, bitmap, skew, etc.
Same with DAWs. Understanding how any given computer handles audio and why are usually what throw a lot of people off first time out.
FWIW, SMPTE-TRAK on the Atari was a nightmare for me to learn, but DP wasn't. The reason for this is that I cut my teeth on the Atari 20 years ago, it being my very first computer. MIDI was totally foreign to me at the time-- case in point: I bought a keyboard but only bought one single MIDI cable. I had no idea about why three MIDI were necessary or what MIDI even stood for. There were 127 channels of controllers, most of them unassigned-- sorting out the whys and hows took time.
Since SMPTE-TRAK, I used other sequencers and DAWs which were just as difficult for me to learn as SMPTE-TRAK-- which by that time was quite easy by comparison. It wasn't the app, it was the user!! By the time I got DP, I found it to be very easy to learn, very user-friendly, and quite functional on first try. I'd sorted out the basics within a week without using the manual at all.
Of course, there is much more to it than just the basics and time has proven that there is no end to what can be learned, what can be forgotten, what needs to be relearned, etc.
I do think DP can be learned quite well on one's own without any outside help. I also believe that picking the brains of other creative people is where any DAW starts to come to life. Discovering how others use the same tools is most revealing in terms of improving one's own workflow and productivity.
One of the most important things I've learned from others is the idea of reassigning certain key commands so that they are accessible with one hand. Every second you take your hand off the mouse during editing is a second lost. Any time you must take both hands off the MIDI keyboard during tracking is not the most frugal use of one's motor skills.
DP is quite learnable as is, but but others have found great ways to get jiggy with it to really bring the app to life.
Same with DAWs. Understanding how any given computer handles audio and why are usually what throw a lot of people off first time out.
FWIW, SMPTE-TRAK on the Atari was a nightmare for me to learn, but DP wasn't. The reason for this is that I cut my teeth on the Atari 20 years ago, it being my very first computer. MIDI was totally foreign to me at the time-- case in point: I bought a keyboard but only bought one single MIDI cable. I had no idea about why three MIDI were necessary or what MIDI even stood for. There were 127 channels of controllers, most of them unassigned-- sorting out the whys and hows took time.
Since SMPTE-TRAK, I used other sequencers and DAWs which were just as difficult for me to learn as SMPTE-TRAK-- which by that time was quite easy by comparison. It wasn't the app, it was the user!! By the time I got DP, I found it to be very easy to learn, very user-friendly, and quite functional on first try. I'd sorted out the basics within a week without using the manual at all.
Of course, there is much more to it than just the basics and time has proven that there is no end to what can be learned, what can be forgotten, what needs to be relearned, etc.
I do think DP can be learned quite well on one's own without any outside help. I also believe that picking the brains of other creative people is where any DAW starts to come to life. Discovering how others use the same tools is most revealing in terms of improving one's own workflow and productivity.
One of the most important things I've learned from others is the idea of reassigning certain key commands so that they are accessible with one hand. Every second you take your hand off the mouse during editing is a second lost. Any time you must take both hands off the MIDI keyboard during tracking is not the most frugal use of one's motor skills.
DP is quite learnable as is, but but others have found great ways to get jiggy with it to really bring the app to life.
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Hand me that steak!billf wrote:I'm new to DP. Anyone have the PDF manual?
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It's actually a DP5 Manual that my avatar is slinging around!James Steele wrote:Hand me that steak!billf wrote:I'm new to DP. Anyone have the PDF manual?
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