Waves and DP

Phil Jeffers · Post by **Phil Jeffers** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:24 pm

So for new projects on DP 5.1 should I only be using AU versions of Waves plugs? (Have V5.2.1 Platinum installed) or is using MAS still advantageous even though Waves haven't given 5.1 the nod?

davedempsey · Post by **davedempsey** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:58 pm

Phil Jeffers wrote:So for new projects on DP 5.1 should I only be using AU versions of Waves plugs? (Have V5.2.1 Platinum installed) or is using MAS still advantageous even though Waves haven't given 5.1 the nod?

Phil,
MAS Waves was very unstable in 5.1 for me - now using only AU, DP opens very quickly, is far more CPU efficient, pre-rendering works for Waves plugs - not on aux or master channels - generally it's just a lot better.
Dave

HCMarkus · Post by **HCMarkus** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:48 pm

PHil, although I can't yet speak with the authority a few weeks of work will provide, the fact that Waves MAS exhibited flakey behavior in 5.1 that the AU versions appear to avoid causes me to suggest you at least consider making the switch.

PJ · Post by PJ » Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:17 pm

Another question is why should Waves "waste" their time for fixing MAS versions, when they are aware of that DP/AU is working fine..

I worked yesterday a whole day with AU and MAS Waveshells installed. Didn't have a single crash. I was doing a new project using only AU Waves and lots of VIs too. So it seems that it's possible to keep DP stable when both Waveshells are in use.

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:56 am

Works fine for me with v5.7 on my G5, both wavesheels loaded and fine v5.9 on my MacBook. Just did some long testing yesterday will all my junk running.

stickwolf · Post by **stickwolf** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:37 am

5.7?? Is that a typo?

Phil Jeffers · Post by **Phil Jeffers** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:38 pm

OK cool. So, should I get rid of the MAS versions of the plug-ins in the Waves folder? or just not use them within projects? Thanks

Tritonemusic · Post by **Tritonemusic** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:19 pm

Phil,

With the MAS shells, DP took over a MINUTE to start up on my computer (RenMaxx Bundle, IR-1, IR-L, Tune Lite, RenAxx). Now that I've removed the MAS shells, startup time is about 15 seconds.

I have yet to thoroughly test the stability of the AU versions but it seems to work great for others, judging by what I've read here.

stickwolf · Post by **stickwolf** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:37 pm

666 wrote:Phil,

With the MAS shells, DP took over a MINUTE to start up on my computer (RenMaxx Bundle, IR-1, IR-L, Tune Lite, RenAxx). Now that I've removed the MAS shells, startup time is about 15 seconds.

Yeah, but the AU loading will take the same or more time for each time you load a plug, so just forget the whole thing. I mean, every project where you use each and every variety of your Waves plugins the load time will be the same adding up each plugin loading vs the initial loading of MAS, so it's not as great as it seems.

See MAS gets all the loading done initially so when you need the plug while working you get it faster. How many projects could you actually do where you don't find a use for every installed plugin??! Might as well go with MAS it seems.

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:20 am

stickwolf wrote:5.7?? Is that a typo?

No that is not a typo. Waves V5.7 or 5.9 5.7 = PPC, 5.9 = Intel

stickwolf · Post by **stickwolf** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:58 am

How come nobody has ever mentioned and I've never seen info about a 5.7 release? I only thought 5.2 was the latest PPC.

PJ · Post by PJ » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:58 am

stickwolf wrote:How come nobody has ever mentioned and I've never seen info about a 5.7 release? I only thought 5.2 was the latest PPC.

giles117
I'm also confused. If I go to Waves download page, I can only find option to download version 5.2 ..? Is that 5.7/5.9 version this ( http://waves.com/content.asp?id=2228 ) intel demo version or how did you get the 5.7 version?

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:20 pm

I did a V 1.0 update to my SSL plugins it installed a Waveshell 5.7 then when I did the intel update it installed a Waveshell V 5.9

And as far as I can tell, my Ren Bundle was updated to 5.7 as well on the PPC.

stickwolf · Post by **stickwolf** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:09 pm

giles-

just curious... could you check your Waves folder and see if you have any plugs that are actually 5.7 or is it just the shell?

Tritonemusic · Post by **Tritonemusic** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:21 pm

stickwolf wrote:
666 wrote:Phil,

With the MAS shells, DP took over a MINUTE to start up on my computer (RenMaxx Bundle, IR-1, IR-L, Tune Lite, RenAxx). Now that I've removed the MAS shells, startup time is about 15 seconds.
Yeah, but the AU loading will take the same or more time for each time you load a plug, so just forget the whole thing. I mean, every project where you use each and every variety of your Waves plugins the load time will be the same adding up each plugin loading vs the initial loading of MAS, so it's not as great as it seems.

See MAS gets all the loading done initially so when you need the plug while working you get it faster. How many projects could you actually do where you don't find a use for every installed plugin??! Might as well go with MAS it seems.

The advantage for me is that I can use more plug-ins at once if I use the AU versions. It is worth the wait (even though it sucks to wait).

However, I've decided to go back to the MAS versions because of a reason I haven't seen discussed here (maybe it was mentioned but I didn't notice). The reason is this: If I'm using RenVerb or IR-1 and I stop playback, the reverb stops dead in its tracks. I CAN'T STAND THAT! When I stop playback, I want to hear the reverb tail ring on. It just drives me nuts. That pretty much negates everything else for me. It's possible that delay plug-ins would behave similarly, but I really can't say because I don't have any WAVES delay plug-ins. Maybe someone can give it a try?