Waves and DP

[David Polich]

I've decided that, going forward, I am ditching WAVES completely as a company. There are plenty of other great plug-ins out there from manufacturers that actually give a sh!t about their customers. I refuse to pay for the update program. I'd rather take my money elsewhere.

Don't get me wrong, they make great plug-ins and have to be the most ripped off company out there as far as piracy is concerned. But not supporting iLok.com insurance??? C'mon.

Jeff

I'd almost agree with your position - however, a lot of us have older projects that use a lot of Waves plug-ins, and there aren't always alternatives for these. While there are some plugs that can be replaced by alternatives, there are also a "few" that I rely on heavily that are unique - L2, Linear MB compressor and Linear Phase EQ, the Ren Comp, IR-1, Tune and Doubler. These are all workhorse plug-ins for me.

I do salute your decision to move on without Waves...and I agree they're a..uh..weird company in a lot of ways.

[giles117]

No SSL Alternatives either.....

Thats why I still use Waves

[slicerecords]

urs has ssl plugs

their s series is modeled after console eqs--and the 1980 is the ssl bus compressor--they are beautiful

[giles117]

urs has ssl plugs

their s series is modeled after console eqs--and the 1980 is the ssl bus compressor--they are beautiful

LOL. I used the S and the 1980. They do Not Compare.

They are missing a neat little analog mode, they are missing the E series Channel strip with that wonderful gate that I came to love back in my analog days...blah blah blah....

The EQ in No wise compares to what Waves managed. The S barely got use from me whereas I Use the SSL jons on almost every track (even if I use other Eq's like I used to do back in my analog days)

[slicerecords]

I've not had the chance to check out the waves SSL--for one you can't demo their plugs with and authorization of waves already--bummer

and I can't justify the cost because clients keep on coming and no one is complaining about my "non-waves ssl sound".

but one day I'll check them out and probably fall in love with them and.....well, hopefully I'll have an extra 600 bones then.

peace
d

[giles117]

I feel you. I didnt buy them for my clients. I bought them cuz The tools make my job that much easier.

Just the ease in my drum sound vs what some other channel strips do.

[Phil Jeffers]

I have Waves Platinum V5.2.1 working fine with DP 5.1. I haven't driven it hard yet though...

[Phil Jeffers]

by the way this is on a system as follows:

PowerMac G5 dual 2.5ghz
1.5GB RAM
Waves 5.2.1, 5.03, 5.01
DP 5.1
Digi 002

Dan, I would recommend a MOTU interface rather than using the 002. I have read a lot of users having issues with using their Pro Tools LE hardware for DP. Just an opinion for smooth sailing. You cannot use DAE within DP for the LE hardware. I had it initialised for DP 4.61, but with ver.5 it crashes instantly. Using Digi's core audio will bring you lots of headaches.

[slicerecords]

thanks----Until PT is not the industry standard, I will have to deal with some BS with DP using PT Core Audio Driver + 002R---I have too much work coming in that are PT sessions--then I transfer them to DP to work--
Clients get scared away if you don't own PT, but once I play them mixes I have done in DP they get the picture. A studio with PT is not a studio to most clients.....it's sad.

i have my eye on the hd192.....soon it will be my precious


peace
d

[Phil Jeffers]

Using HD Digi gear under DAE would be best of both world's. A lot of posters on this site do. Apparently DP 5 has taken away some of its functionality though. I highly recommend the 424 card and any compatible interfaces (MOTU still supports their older range, sound refreshing?). It has excellent I/O options, even for the original 2408. Black Lion do retro-fits for these units also. So, if you want to save a tonne of dough (to spend on extra plug-ins and nice pre-amps etc.) keep MOTU hardware in mind.

[mkharvey11]

I haven't posted in a while, but I'm a long time Mac, DP, and WAVES user and periodically check in here to catch the buzz and solve problems.

I recently upgraded to 5.1 and all hell broke loose with Waves. I have Platinum 5.0. I installed the latest PPC updates on my dual 1ghz G4 tower, as well as the 5.9 Intel pluggins on my new 2ghz Macbook Pro. Everything works on the Macbook Pro, but I experience a lot more "DP unexpectedly quit" messages than I was used to.

My G4 tower, however, is out-of-commision and DP won't even start up. I've tried everything including MOTU tech support. Now I think I'm going to wipe the drive and clean install everything from scratch. Pain in the ass, as I have several pluggins that are disk authorization, not iLok- ANOTHER problem with this industry.

The BIGGER problem!!!
Since WAVES has yet to release a MAS Intel version of their pluggins, and I'm using the AU versions, ALL of the WAVES pluggins from previous projects ARE NOT RECOGNIZED. I can't pull up any old projects and see the pluggins! For this reason, I can't use the WAVES AU's on my PPC Mac. My only hope is to wait for a MAS Intel version, so I can open older projects on the Intel Mac, although every mobile recording I've done since I got the thing has the AU's running. This whole Intel switch has been a headache.

I have an MBox2 and DV Toolkit, and I've worked on bigger ProTools systems, and I think DP does have a better vibe about it, creatively. I must say, though, it would be nice to be a ProTools user right now. WAVES got their ProTools 7.2 Intel version out in a timely fashion- let MOTU and the others wait- their not important.

Then again, I'd have to forfeit a 2408mk3, 828mk2, and Traveler for a Digi002 - NO WAY

[toodamnhip]

Who is using MAS Waveshells?

Who is using AU Waveshells?

I would like to hear which people are experiencing problems and which arent.

According to Waves though only MAS should be used with DP...

Dont use AU component waveshells..use MAS..

period!

[David Helpling]

I second that...WAVES has said flat out that only the MAS waveshells are approved to work and the AU waveshells is not compatible with DP at all. I am still in 5.01 and every single plug-in I use is working fine (Diamond, IR1, L3, Restoration X). I often fantasize about being released from the WAVES regime. I have been toying around with getting the new UAD1e Expert Pack to try and ween myself off of as much WAVES as I can...what do you guys think?

[PJ]

Who is using MAS Waveshells?

Who is using AU Waveshells?

I would like to hear which people are experiencing problems and which arent.

According to Waves though only MAS should be used with DP...

Dont use AU component waveshells..use MAS..

period!

For me all other Platinum plugs work with MAS, but Tune Lite crashed everytime when I tried to add it. I removed Vocal_bundleMAS and now it's working as an AU plug.. and it works (but crashes when used with smaller buffer size or lots of other plugins).

(DP 5.1 / Waveshells 5.01/5.2/1.1 for Vocal.Bundle)

[slicerecords]

Thanks for the advice Phil

I think once I make a move I'll go with MOTU. One reason I left Digi is the fact (and yes it is a fact) that their hardware is completely overpriced. And honestly, I've attempted to run a DIGI HD Rig with DP 5.01 at my friend's studio---what a nightmare---the 002 is more stable----and I'm sure a pci MOTU rig is completely stable.

but soon MOTU pci will be the way I'll go. I also have reassurance that I won't be left in the dust by MOTU---like DIGI has done to all of their customers with their PCI changes (along with Apple)--at least MOTU only wants $300 or so (not $8000)

and MOTU doesn't pull the cord on hardware that's only 3 years old (i.e. DIGI's 001) my upgrade from 001 to 002 cost me way too much money---I despsie DIGI's business practices--and I'm pleased with MOTU's way of doing things

peace