MSI UB and DP 5.1 problems?

tele68 · Post by **tele68** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:39 pm

Hi,
I'm obviously new here...
My question is:
Anyone having any problems with DP 5.1 not recognizing Symphonic Instrument...?? I'm running an iMac Intel Core Duo 1.83Ghz with 1.5GB RAM.

DP 5.0.1 was slow on this machine. The 5.1 update is markedly faster.
But it no longer recognizes MSI as an option for an instrument track.
I restarted the computer hoping it was just a little glitch with the update install, but no dice...
Anyone having this issue? And MSI is version 1.1.2 (the UB).
Thanks!

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:04 am

MSI and M5 are not ready for UB yet. One member here got an e-mail from MOTU saying that the MSI update was on its way.

tele68 · Post by **tele68** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:11 am

By "not ready for UB" I assume you mean the newest update to DP, as the version of MSI I have is the UB update. Please clarify if I'm reading you incorrectly. Also, it doesn't seem to me that it makes very much sense to release a universal binary for DP that won't play nicely with the universal binary of MSI. Ah, well. I guess that's just the risk you run with the newest incarnations of this stuff...
Thanks for the reply, btw.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:19 am

tele68 wrote:By "not ready for UB" I assume you mean the newest update to DP, as the version of MSI I have is the UB update. Please clarify if I'm reading you incorrectly. Also, it doesn't seem to me that it makes very much sense to release a universal binary for DP that won't play nicely with the universal binary of MSI. Ah, well. I guess that's just the risk you run with the newest incarnations of this stuff...
Thanks for the reply, btw.

sure, T!

Lots of people are having issues with MSI-UB for some reason. Dunno why-- and it doesn't look so great when MOTU's own plugins don't work in it's own DAW host. Of course, Mach5 seems to have been all but orphaned throughout this entire transition so far.

Try going to:
User Library>Preferences>Digital Performer>MOTU Audio System Prefs

Trash that file and then restart. 5.1 will rewrite the file-- and hopefully it will do it in a language that it understands.

tele68 · Post by **tele68** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:44 am

I trashed the System Prefs file and restarted, but still no dice. MSI doesn't even show up as an instrument you can use in DP.
I'll give this another go tomorrow... Yeah, it sure does look bad for MOTU. It doesn't make a lick of sense for the newest update of DP to not fully support its newly updated instrument counterparts. But I digress... I probably should not have expected all of these new updates AND my new computer to work together as well as I hoped.

papageno · Post by **papageno** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:30 am

As I understand from posts in this forum, the MAS plugin part of MSI is NOT UB yet (cannot beleive this is true!).
Motu promised to release the next MSI update 'really soon' to correct this.

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:32 am

papageno wrote:As I understand from posts in this forum, the MAS plugin part of MSI is NOT UB yet (cannot beleive this is true!).
Motu promised to release the next MSI update 'really soon' to correct this.

Looks like MAS is giving way to AU. Might as well. DP's the only app using it. I'd assume their internal AU-to-MAS wrapper will probably get phased out too?

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:43 am

chrispick wrote:
papageno wrote:As I understand from posts in this forum, the MAS plugin part of MSI is NOT UB yet (cannot beleive this is true!).
Motu promised to release the next MSI update 'really soon' to correct this.
Looks like MAS is giving way to AU.

Are you kidding? MAS may be going bye-bye?

chrispick wrote: Might as well. DP's the only app using it. I'd assume their internal AU-to-MAS wrapper will probably get phased out too?

Such shock there is in reason. Why am I surprised? Makes too much sense.

So, does that mean our friend tele68 should install the AU version and shine the MAS version altogether? Will that work for him?

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:48 am

Frodo wrote:
chrispick wrote:
papageno wrote:As I understand from posts in this forum, the MAS plugin part of MSI is NOT UB yet (cannot beleive this is true!).
Motu promised to release the next MSI update 'really soon' to correct this.
Looks like MAS is giving way to AU.
Are you kidding? MAS may be going bye-bye?
chrispick wrote: Might as well. DP's the only app using it. I'd assume their internal AU-to-MAS wrapper will probably get phased out too?

Such shock there is in reason. Why am I surprised? Makes too much sense.

So, does that mean our friend tele68 should install the AU version and shine the MAS version altogether? Will that work for him?

Oh, I'm just guessing about the MAS thing. Although it seems feasible enough.

Why support a plug-in format third party vendors are increasingly neglecting?

I can say my AU version of Auto Tune is loading into DP 5.1 while its MAS cousin cannot. Indicative of current workarounds and future developments? Shrug.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:05 am

chrispick wrote:Oh, I'm just guessing about the MAS thing. Although it seems feasible enough.

Why support a plug-in format third party vendors are increasingly neglecting?

I can say my AU version of Auto Tune is loading into DP 5.1 while its MAS cousin cannot. Indicative of current workarounds and future developments? Shrug.

Mind you, I only breathe a partial sigh of relief-- but it does make sense. I've asked for years why there has been so little support for MAS. I've also wondered whether the gaggle of MAS plugins-- which were probably fine 10 years ago-- have seen little improvement in the face of developing technology and user demand for better quality. Not sure why it's better for MOTU that their users *almost* always toss their cash at third-party plugins rather than to have comparable (or better) ITB plugs. Hmm.

But I still believe that AU needs to be a lot more efficient. It just overwhelms system resources so quickly.

And Chris-- what are you doing up at this hour!!??

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:14 am

Frodo wrote:And Chris-- what are you doing up at this hour!!??

No rest for the wiggin'.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 3:19 am

chrispick wrote:
Frodo wrote:And Chris-- what are you doing up at this hour!!??
No rest for the wiggin'.

Dude:

Who do you think you are: me, or somebody?

And it's a school night, no less.

Hey-- I get most of my work done at this hour when the phone stops ringing. I *do* understand.

But, my friend-- get some sleep. It's good for your health, and it keeps you off Viagra.

tele68 · Post by **tele68** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:04 am

Lots of people are having issues with MSI-UB for some reason. Dunno why-- and it doesn't look so great when MOTU's own plugins don't work in it's own DAW host. Of course, Mach5 seems to have been all but orphaned throughout this entire transition so far.

I just got off the phone with MOTU. Upon confirmation that I am indeed running DP on an Intel Mac, I was quickly told that MSI is currently not working with DP 5.1, and there will be a fix "very shortly."
I'm crossing my fingers.

papageno · Post by **papageno** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:13 am

tele68 wrote:MSI is currently not working with DP 5.1, and there will be a fix "very shortly."

I give them until Monday... that is when my 5.1 upgrade arrives.
I am not entitled to get mad at MOTU before

LOL

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:35 am

http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... -ethno-mx4

Digital Performer 5.1 and Symphonic Instrument, Ethno Instrument, & MX4

Forthcoming updates will provide MAS universal binary plug-ins for these instruments

The current versions of the Symphonic Instrument and Ethno Instrument (1.1.2 and 1.0, respectively) are universal binaries in the AU, RTAS, VST, and standalone formats. Updates which provide universal binary MAS plug-ins for Symphonic Instrument, Ethno Instrument, and MX4 are expected shortly, as well as AU and RTAS universal binary updates for MX4.