Bounce to Disk

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:00 pm

jordanz wrote:
chrispick wrote:To clarify: Bounce-to-disk (BTD) via your master-out only sums audio tracks. VIs tracks must be converted to audio track either via freezing or merely routing and recording to an empty track (which is what freezing does in an automated way) before you can BTD.
These are NOT virtual instrument tracks. These are real audio tracks (of me playing the drums).

Sorry. I'm a little confused then. What did you mean when you wrote this? "OK - some progress. Freezing the tracks worked. I'm able to bounce the frozen tracks to disk. What does this mean?"

jordanz · Post by **jordanz** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:42 pm

grimepoch wrote:Do you have more than one 'Main Out' defined in your AudioBundles? If so, maybe you are selecting the one in BTD that doesn't come from anywhere.

I've got Main Out 1-2, Main Out L and Main Out R. Everything is set to Main Out 1-2.

grimepoch · Post by **grimepoch** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:54 pm

This is definitely the strangest thing I've seen yet. I think you are gonna have to call Motu, I don't see any other option on this one.

jordanz · Post by **jordanz** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:43 pm

grimepoch wrote:This is definitely the strangest thing I've seen yet. I think you are gonna have to call Motu, I don't see any other option on this one.

I've sent 3 or 4 emails, called multiple times (always busy). I left a message with their business office on Friday.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:09 pm

jordanz wrote:It seems that others are having Bounce to Disk problems. My problem is that I get an MP3 file that has no sound - none - not from any tracks. However, something is being written because the file is an appropriate size.

Is this the same/similar problem everyone else is having? I've sent an email to MOTU on this.

Here is the obvious question... in the bounce dialogue are you sure you are selecting the right outputs? If you select the wrong ones or if you are subbing to an AUX, etc and don't have all the ducks int eh right row, you'll get silence.

As far as MOTU emails.... average return time on an email in my experience is SEVERAL WEEKS! Not a viable solution, and even then you generally get a standard kind of scripted response. $%%&*$^&*%

Keep redialing and you WILL get thru (for whatever gooD it might do). But do check your output settings in the bounce dialogue! BTD works fine on my system but I generally use iTunes to make MP3's as it is quicker to launch and I rarely make MP3's from sessions in progress (usually I bounce a movie w/picture for the collaborators, conductor, etc.)

Have you tried iTunes to BTD as an MP3? If that doesn;t work, then is may be a core audio problem.

Kaszper · Post by **Kaszper** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:38 am

Are you trying to play the file in iTunes?

Because I recently bounced a file straight to MP3 via LAME, and found iTunes sulkily ignored it. I sent the MP3 file to a Windows user who had no problems with it.

I remade the MP3 the slow way ••“ bouncing to .wav/aiff then converting to MP3 in iTunes ••“ and it was fine.

Jim · Post by **Jim** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:50 am

Kaszper wrote:I remade the MP3 the slow way ••“ bouncing to .wav/aiff then converting to MP3 in iTunes ••“ and it was fine.

My experience is that this method is faster than exporting mp3 from DP via LAME... LAME is a really sloooowwww export method on my G4.

amplidood · Post by **amplidood** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:20 am

BTD seems to be one of the things they finally got fixed in 5.01 on my system. It used to crash the app every other tiime I tried to use it, especially if there were Altiverb instances. Since I started using 5 there hasn't been one crash or weirdness. Yay!

grimepoch · Post by **grimepoch** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:15 pm

I also convert in iTunes. It is REALLY fast, and means I always have an AIFF and MP3 version of tracks.

jordanz · Post by **jordanz** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:22 pm

Kaszper wrote:Are you trying to play the file in iTunes?

Because I recently bounced a file straight to MP3 via LAME, and found iTunes sulkily ignored it. I sent the MP3 file to a Windows user who had no problems with it.

Yes, I am. I'll give it a try when I get back into town.

Martin Ward · Post by **Martin Ward** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:53 pm

I am also having no success with BTD. I'm a complete neophyte here, and have just joined the forum, so I'm probably doing something silly; I just can't figure out what.

I have tried it with the demo sequence supplied with the DP5.01 disk and with a simple sequence of my own. I've tried SDII, AIFC and AIFF and get an empty track each time (it plays silence for the appropriate time).

I have a very simple set-up, since I've just take delivery of DP and am waiting for other bits and pieces to arrive -- I'm just doing some simple stuff with MIDI Keys and Nanosamplers. I can playback OK. Then I try BTD from Built-in audio 1-2. I've also tried sending everything to a bus and BTDing that. No luck.

So, is this the same problem others have reported, or do I just not understand something? (I'm R-ing TFM like mad, but there's a lot of it to R!)

Mr_Clifford · Post by **Mr_Clifford** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:33 pm

Martin Ward wrote:I am also having no success with BTD. I'm a complete neophyte here, and have just joined the forum, so I'm probably doing something silly; I just can't figure out what.

I have tried it with the demo sequence supplied with the DP5.01 disk and with a simple sequence of my own. I've tried SDII, AIFC and AIFF and get an empty track each time (it plays silence for the appropriate time).

The main two things to remember with DP's bounce to disk - because they are different to just about how all the other DAW's 'bounce to disk' - are:

1. It only bounces audio tracks and 'real time' Aux track send FX (from said audio tracks). To bounce VI's you have to freeze them first.

2. You have to select the range AND the tracks you wish to bounce (unlike ProTools where you just select the range).

I can't count the number of times I've bounced an empty audio file because I forgot to highlight the right tracks

3. Yes, three things to remember. Also check the output bus that you are bouncing. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Martin Ward · Post by **Martin Ward** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:09 pm

Well, I think I've solved my problem. It seems to be too simple to be what's occupying everyone else, but I'll post it anyway just in case ...

First, thanks to Mr_Clifford for the tip about freezing. (Is that in the manual anywhere?)

Also I had success when I selected all tracks for the BTD process -- that's including the conductor track, the play-disabled MIDI originals and the play-disabled and "output->none" instrument tracks. I'm now going to do some trials to see which of these are really required. There doesn't seem to me to be any logical reason for any of them to be needed!

(So I've got something to work without understanding why; have I really solved my problem?)

Mr_Clifford · Post by **Mr_Clifford** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 1:05 am

Martin Ward wrote:Also I had success when I selected all tracks for the BTD process -- that's including the conductor track, the play-disabled MIDI originals and the play-disabled and "output->none" instrument tracks. I'm now going to do some trials to see which of these are really required. There doesn't seem to me to be any logical reason for any of them to be needed!

(So I've got something to work without understanding why; have I really solved my problem?)

You should only have to highlight the actual audio tracks that you want and the aux, master etc will be included automatically. If that doesn't work then you have something else weird going on. But if selecting 'all' works for you then there's no reason not to.

Martin Ward · Post by **Martin Ward** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:16 am

Yes, you're right.

I tried whittling down the selected tracks and, as you say, I got it right down to just the "freeze" tracks, and it still bounced OK. A far as I can work out, that's exactly the configuration I had when I started out and it wasn't working. So I must indeed have been doing something silly. I haven't quite got used to the way tracks highlight in DP, so maybe I did something there. I was very consistent about it though!

Anyway, thanks again Mr_Clifford. Your tip about freezing probably saved me several sleepless nights.

(Just as a matter of interest, do you think that having lots of people agree with you is a sign of good taste or the opposite?)

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