NI KORE with DP...

grimepoch · Post by **grimepoch** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:54 pm

MarkH: Where did you hear it didn't use much CPU? Go look at the NI boards about it, VERY WELL DOCUMENTED. People are seeing 20% CPU and higher with just the KORE hardware plugged in, not even using it!

This is on PCs and MACs.

I have one on order, but I am aware of this problem and look forward to it being fixed.

I've explained why I want one. To turn a second machine into a mega-synth with multiple outs. I like this better than recepter, as there are more plugins available for OSX than recepter (since not all of them work).

I agree the CPU hit should be minimal, right now, it is not, and I consider that a bug.

I also agree it should be 'undongled'.

But, I'll have more to say when it gets here. It's version 1.0, I expect this. It seems to be the NORM with music software and hardware these days.

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:38 pm

Has anyone used the new Bitstream 3x - sounds something like Kore (also advertises that it can access 15000 presets of soft synths, but doesn;t really elaborate much more).

http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:42 am

jlaudon wrote:Has anyone used the new Bitstream 3x - sounds something like Kore (also advertises that it can access 15000 presets of soft synths, but doesn;t really elaborate much more).

http://www.waveidea.com/en/products/bitstream_3x/

Yes this looks promising but the 3X won't be available until July.
Current owners seem to be happy with the unit....not many complains in there users forum, thats a good sign.

I for one am very disappointed with Kore. I now have it controlling AU plugins but not being able to automate the moves in DP sucks. (it's a NI bug not MOTU) Controlling synths via KORE is cool on the few that work but right now I'm on the fence with it.

grimepoch · Post by **grimepoch** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:22 am

I still think the Bitstream is really not the same thing. They have similar functions, but KORE still provides a host to layer soft synths and recall those layered setups. Bistream seems to be more inline with the Novation Zero SL. It's a controller.

I kind of liken KORE somewhat to Reaktor with your AU's being the 'blocks'.

I'm actually less impressed with the Kore interface than with bitstream, it looks much nicer in that regard.

MarkH · Post by **MarkH** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:12 am

Bitstream is a MIDI controller like a UC-33e or X-Session. It doesn't have a "Native Mode" like Novation Zero SL or HUI/MCU emulation (unless Waveidea has updated it).

Jaysplace101 · Post by **Jaysplace101** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:51 am

Kwiz, anymore reports about KORE? Any other users at this point?

Thanks,

j

grimepoch · Post by **grimepoch** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:55 am

I have one now, but have not used it in DP yet. Mainly because the driver is not fixed. It uses up WAY TOO MUCH cpu power at the moment. Until that is fixed, I don't see the point in trying to use it.

Now, I've played with it stand-alone. All I can say is that I really like the way it works. It's very powerful and exactly what I wanted to turn a second machine into a hardware synth (of sorts).

MarkH · Post by **MarkH** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:51 am

grimepoch wrote:I have one now, but have not used it in DP yet. Mainly because the driver is not fixed. It uses up WAY TOO MUCH cpu power at the moment. Until that is fixed, I don't see the point in trying to use it.

Are you saying the actual Kore plugin uses up too much CPU (ie. with no sounds loaded, just the Kore shell) or are you referring to certain Kore patches?

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:21 am

Jaysplace101 wrote:Kwiz, anymore reports about KORE? Any other users at this point?

Thanks,

j

I agree with grimepoch, until they improve the driver using it with DP is almost pointless. Standalone mode is where it shines at this point.
I also use it on a second machine and have been creating some pretty cool combo sounds with it.
At one point I was ready to return it but I'm starting to really dig it. Once they (NI) improve some things KORE will be a little monster.

Jaysplace101 · Post by **Jaysplace101** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:27 am

So are you running standalone with DP Kwiz? If so, is that working pretty well?

j

Zola · Post by **Zola** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:28 am

grimepoch wrote:No, I plan on using it on my MacMini and sending the audio into my G5 to give me more virtual instruments. I had been using Rax to do this, but with Kore, I was told patch changes can be sent to change instruments. This will allow it all to be automatic.

Rax 2 now has a song mode that lets you switch instruments with a MIDI remote:
«This setlist feature, in combination with OnStage, allows the performer to easily step through songs remotely, at a glance. Enter the new OnStage window and you can step through the set in a performance with no squinting, and no other visual distractions from other apps.»

just so you know
Zola

grimepoch · Post by **grimepoch** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:47 am

I do own Rax2 as well, so I will look. I had sent a request to the writer for this, did a new update just come out?

The one thing I like about Kore is the way everything is done. The hardware interface actually does work well for parameter changing. For me, it's not only a AU host, but an audio in/out and MIDI in/out. Because of that, I feel I got a good deal on it.

As for the question about CPU power, yes, with nothing loaded. In stand alone or as a plugin. They are aware, and I am sure they'll fix it soon. I think the communication between the Hardware and software might be happening to much or something. (No patches loaded).

But, until I get it going more, I don't have a full opinion yet.

The plan is to eventually get a Mac Pro (Intel) when they come out and move the Kore to my G5 with the UAD card. Then, pick up another 896 and feed adat into one of the 896's I have now to link the two machines. This machine will be my ultimate synth

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:57 pm

Jaysplace101 wrote:So are you running standalone with DP Kwiz? If so, is that working pretty well?

j

Yes it's pretty cool, I use 2 G5 dual 1.8's.

G5 1 is for audio only, the second is for VI's. On the VI machine I use a MOTU fastlane connected to a MidiTimepiece thats connected to machine 1. The VI's (G5 two) are bussed to a Tascam DM-24 console via firewire.
The DM's firewire option allows me to have 24 channels of I/O. I then bus VI outputs to DP inputs.

Jaysplace101 · Post by **Jaysplace101** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:08 am

kwiz wrote:
Jaysplace101 wrote:So are you running standalone with DP Kwiz? If so, is that working pretty well?

j
Yes it's pretty cool, I use 2 G5 dual 1.8's.

G5 1 is for audio only, the second is for VI's. On the VI machine I use a MOTU fastlane connected to a MidiTimepiece thats connected to machine 1. The VI's (G5 two) are bussed to a Tascam DM-24 console via firewire.
The DM's firewire option allows me to have 24 channels of I/O. I then bus VI outputs to DP inputs.

And when you're running core stand alone, the CPU hit is OK then, right? That sounds like a great setup.... It surprises me that you're able to deal with the latency running it that way. Latency was my biggest issue when I tried to run two computers in a similar situation.

j

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:55 am

It's good to keep in mind that Kore works best with VERY fast machines. If you have a computer, PC or Mac, under 2 Ghz then you are going to experience limitations with Kore. For example, if you loaded just one instance of timewARP 2600 into Kore, you'd be lucky to get maybe 2 more softsynths in, and they'd have to be very easy on the CPU, because timewARP is CPU hungry (average around 50% on a 2.6Ghz P4).

In other words, Kore doesn't reduce the amount of CPU any of the VI's consume.