Are illegal copies of DP 5 already circulating?

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue May 23, 2006 7:40 am

Seems there are a good number of folks posting here lately that are having 'trouble' installing DP 5 and getting it to work at all. What is suspicious about this is that a few have said things like "...guess I have to call tech support..." or "...tech support has always been helpful in the past..." seemingly indicating a long history with DP, yet only with a couple of posts here. Problem free until now and all of a sudden, ZAP! and you're ready to abandon the prog and the 'helpful' tech support folks?

Well, after spending $500-800 on a program, if you don't call tech support when it won't install and "wait" you cannot look anything but suspicious. Most consumers would be all over the sales dept. (or the company that sold the software) in a heartbeat.

Then there are the people who "just bought DP 5 to 'play with'" and when it would not install, they simply went to another program (a fairly cheap one as far as I can tell). Again, $800 and you just sort of toss it off?

Adding to the suspicion is that some of these "users" who supposedly have been on DP in earlier versions only have 3 or 4 posts in this forum. This seems a little odd as well. Of course, they could have just found Unicornation after upgrading to 5, but that seems a little suspect. No mention of "glad I found the forum" or "you guys have been helpful in the past." It seems a little strange.

Finally, there is at least one guy selling his copy of DP 5 for a 'bargin' price of $450. The people here are generally users already and will qualify for the upgrade at $200 (assuming they have registered copies.)

Anyone else find these recent posts somewhat incredible (in the truest sense of the word)?

giles117 · Post by **giles117** » Tue May 23, 2006 7:59 am

Tons of illegal copies floating around. too bad they wont get this georgeous Manual. 1074 Pages of wonderfully written instruction. No getting started Guide either.

And those beautiful CD's.

And lets not forget the cool white cardboard box they shipped all this in for us upgraders.....

They need to stop being cheap and buy it.....

Support what helps you make great music and cash too.

TOD · Post by **TOD** » Tue May 23, 2006 8:11 am

IMO, It's so hypocritical to use cracked software. We're in the music business for Christ's sake! I know I get pissed when someone downloads my music without paying.

boonier · Post by **boonier** » Tue May 23, 2006 8:12 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote: Finally, there is at least one guy selling his copy of DP 5 for a 'bargin' price of $450. The people here are generally users already and will qualify for the upgrade at $200 (assuming they have registered copies.)

is that, 'bargin' said in a Cockney-style fashion?

midilance · Post by **midilance** » Tue May 23, 2006 9:08 am

Situational Ethics. It's a sign of the times.

GDKF · Post by **GDKF** » Tue May 23, 2006 9:11 am

I have been using DP for 4 years, 5 if you include the year i spent using audioease( the one that came with my 828) and this is my fourth post here.

I have read the forum for a couple of years, but never had the answer to anyone's problem, and could always solve my own by reading through the forum. (or searching Magic Dave's posts!)

Just saying not every legal user posts a lot.

Now about my MIDI sync problem...

davel6332 · Post by **davel6332** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:07 pm

I agree with GKDF. I've been using Performer since version 2.x and Digital Performer since version 1.x. I've been reading this forum for over a year now and I love it. I honestly wish I'd known it existed before that, but I didn't. You can see the number of posts I have, and mostly that's because there's such a wealth of information here that I don't have to ask that many questions. As far as answering questions, I feel that most of you guys are so far over my head in knowledge of DP that I'd probably appear to be an idiot if I tried. I think this is a great forum because knowledge and experience is passed on freely. It bothers me when I see people respond with "read the manual". I DO read my manuals and understand them fairly well but not all people relate to learning from manuals in the same way. If they did there'd probably be less need for this forum. Obviously not all of us work at home either and don't want to carry stacks of manuals to every session. Most studios do have internet connections though and if we get stuck at work, it's nice to now that there's sympathetic and helpful ears out there when we need them.
Please don't clump those of us with few posts into that group with the software pirates. It's just not the case. FYI....I'm still using DP version 3.11. I'm not sure I'll ugrade untill I get a MacTel....and/or you guys tell me the water is safe.

tommymandel · Post by **tommymandel** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:16 pm

GDKF- I had my own sync problem today again - double tempo. Then I realized that both my external sequencer AND my sbx-80 sync box were being routed into the MIDI interface, and I guess DP was adding the 2 tempo's (I couldn't bring myself to type 'tempi')....since I had "any" selected as port for external sync. what's your sync issue? Or should I search for it under another thread.

mothra · Post by **mothra** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:23 pm

In response to the subject of the thread..

How long has DP 5 been out now?? You can bet it started circulating the minute someone got ahold of their new cds and decided to give a copy to a friend here and there..

Happens with everything.. Good thing I got an XSKey protecting me hehe.

Makes me sick at times thinking things like 'Gee the guy in the studio right downstairs is getting all the local business lately' and he downloaded his copy of Nuendo and sees no logic or reason behind having to pay for it.. Makes me wanna sneak in and screw up a little dll and make him have to call tech support one day..

Oh well I get to flaunt the ego around em and go 'Yeah too bad I actually have the money to buy all this crap'..

muxlow · Post by **muxlow** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:25 pm

And here I just plunked down $395 when I could have just gotten a crack!

I kid, I kid. I started buying my apps a long time ago. If nothing else, it makes it an awful lot easier to complain when stuff doesn't work right. You don't have to stop and think, "Maybe it's just f'd up because IT'S A CRACK?!?"

I love that manual, too. Almost fainted when I saw it. Actual TREES, for god's sake. And about 20 of them by my guess...

np: Motorhead, "Inferno"

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:29 pm

tommymandel wrote:I couldn't bring myself to type 'tempi')....

A hard adjustment for many. Actually BOTH are correct, but if you use tempos, leave out the apostrophe. Tempi sounds more academic (not always a good thing...)

http://www.sfu.ca/sonic-studio/handbook/Tempo.html

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:35 pm

muxlow wrote:...I love that manual, too. Almost fainted when I saw it. Actual TREES, for god's sake. And about 20 of them by my guess...

np: Motorhead, "Inferno"

The only thing I hate about the manual is I cannot search it for that elusive little keyword like I can in a PDF (as in FINALE). You know what WOULD be great, if MOTU would create a searchable database of the manual online, and provide the page numbers where the words you search for can be found. There is an online manual with the program and that is probably helpful to new users, and (drum roll please) MOTU doesn't ask for your serial # if you call in. Maybe they have caller ID and your name and serial # pops up, but Idoubt it. As an owner of intellectual property that others have marketed w/o a license (and been brought to court for it) I find bootlegging abhorrent. But I am not in the business of protecting MOTU's stuff and don't mean to imply any kind of police action. That is MOTU's job. I've been offered hacked copies of DP and other programs. Always refuse. Besides, I need the write off.

Dawada · Post by **Dawada** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:54 pm

I too agree with GDKF, I've been using DP since 4.5, which isn't long; but I haven't been using a MAC until recent, well begining of 2005 I think. But I too tend to try and solve my own problems rather than cry my machine don't work. And for most of my issues are either, user error ( not doing the steps properly and trying to short cut shiet, or someone has had the same which I can learn from and know what not to do). Also if i'm investing money into something, I try to buy some sort of tutorial, help guide, A Power book, to learn real world technics rather than just an explaintion of what this is supposed to do. I want to know how to apply it in my production.

I admit if i'm working on something and get stuck; I don't go straight to their forum, I'll swich platforms to finish. Then I'll take time to read, check the forum, or retry, retrace my steps.

Some time my mind just doesn't want to get in gear to use DP, so I'll use PT. I believe in being able to use any DAW and provide a good mix. It's what I'm paid to do. I don't like to give excuses why it doesn't sound good or sound the way they would like.

Thanks,
for listening to my rant.

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:02 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:
muxlow wrote:...I love that manual, too. Almost fainted when I saw it. Actual TREES, for god's sake. And about 20 of them by my guess...

np: Motorhead, "Inferno"
The only thing I hate about the manual is I cannot search it for that elusive little keyword like I can in a PDF (as in FINALE). You know what WOULD be great, if MOTU would create a searchable database of the manual online, and provide the page numbers where the words you search for can be found.

Don't forget there's a pretty extensive help section within DP the app. In fact, given how much general info it provides, I'm often bemused by some of the pirate-generated questions that pop up here.

So cheap... So lazy...

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:09 pm

chrispick wrote:Don't forget there's a pretty extensive help section within DP the app. ...So cheap... So lazy...

that's what I meant by online help. But didn;t you mean to say "So inexpensive... So relaxed..."

And what's the deal with not calling tech support. Sure, they cannot fix the really big bugs, but they do help in many cases. I mean... your install disk doesn't work and you haven't called them yet? What part of I borrowed my freinds install disk don't they understand?

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